[3.5E] In The Works - Changes to the Titan

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Grog

Agreed, although the titan's offense and defense seem a bit much...

Hmm... a typical 20th-level fighter should have an AC of around 42, so he probably gets hit a bit too often.

Anyway, +36 bonus vs. AC 40 means his third and fourth attacks will almost always miss.

That's what Spring Attack is for. I hope they add some balanced options to boost a fighter's speed ... it's difficult to move at 45 ft. in full-plate

Besides, you might need to use the new Power Attack if penetrating DR is a problem. That's very useful with Spring Attack

And what about the poor rogue?

I need to take a look at my "stock 20th-level rogue" again to be on the safe side. I think his attack bonus was around +30 to +33, so he still hits more than half the time with his first attack. (Add another +2 for flanking?) I have to alter his archery stats, however, now that I know enhancement bonuses to bows and arrows don't stack. However, his short sword attack bonus was +30 to +33.

The cleric can only reliably hit if he buffs (assuming he doesn't have a +6 Strength boosting item like Jozan in Enemies and Allies).

The wizard ... heh heh. Wow! Now maybe his save-or-die spells might not work half the time, which IMO is a good thing. (Same for the cleric, although a cleric doesn't have many high-level Will save or die spells).

I'm glad the titan's mobility was reduced, so he can't squash the wizard in melee. Picture one of those things with boots of flying!

 

[NPC]

Does anyone know what the Awesome Blow feat does?

snicker . . . snicker . . . chuckle

 

[Christian]

All neutral?

Well, that's a bit better, but I can't help but wonder if this means we'll see everyone playing neutral characters in 3.5...

Yeah, my neutral good character will be crippled by his inability to use evil-aligned weapons to penetrate the DR of the solars and ki-rin he's always fighting.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi (Psi)SeveredHead mate!

It seems fine to me. I get annoyed when a monster has a massive Strength score but wimpy Con.

...whereas I get annoyed when WotC tell us a Huge creature should have approx. +16 Str and +8 Con beyond typical ranges then mess with that for no reason...or rather because the way they delegate damage and hit points is totally incongrous with regards size which is why they have to arbitrarily mess about with ability scores so much.

I don't want to see too many more "high offense/low offense" monsters.

High Offense/Low Defense do you mean?

I'm all for variety provided it is clearly explained.

 

[BryonD]

My first thought was:

"Man, that is a LOT of adamantine."

 

[randomninja]

On the DR issue, am I the only one who noticed the Titans listed as favoring sundering attacks?

Fighter: Ah, a Titan, were I not carrying my lawfully enchanted greatsword, this battle might be impossible.
(shatter!)
Fighter: Now what do I do?
Wizardess: Not to worry, I've lawfully enchanted your back up weapon.
Fighter: Back up weapon? You mean my woodcarving knife?
Wizard: Yup, here you are. Go get him tiger!
Fighter: Gotta do what I gotta do...
(Crunch!!)
Fighter: Oh for the love of...You just loving bullying people don't you?
Titan:
Monk: Let me handle this one friend, My bare hands alone have the power to destroy this Monstrosity!
Fighter: Alone? The guys Huge!
Monk: What use is my training, if I flee like a frightened child, rather than testing my skills?
Fighter: What use is your training if he squishes you like a cockroach?
Monk: No time for doubting thoughts, Heavens Tyrant, Blazing Crenscendo strike! Angry Ardvark form Revised!
(Splat)
Fighter: I can't just watch this....Wow! I didn't think even monk could bend like that!.....Doh! He still owes me from our last trip to town...Man we got wasted...Orc women?....Maybe there's something to be said for discipline after all..Oh, right!
Monk: Thank you for pulling me beneath his foot, comrade, I fear I still lack training....I have failed you, I'm sorry.
Fighter: Well, if we can't beat him, I guess it's up to the Wizardess...Hey Mage!.....Where in Hades?
Monk: I believe she decided to make a tatical retreat while I was "engaged" with the beast.
Fighter: You noticed that?....While you were.....You really are impressive.
Monk: It was nothing to one of my, Owww, discipline.
Fighter: Why on earth didn't she take me, err, US with her then.
Monk: I do believe I heard something about your "Huge" arse being too heavy to bring along.
Fighter: It's not my fault!...It's uh, the armor, I swear!
Titan: Will this be too much longer? I'm a busy monster, and I've got a tight rampaging schedule here.
Fighter: Shut up You! We were just trying to give you a breather! Your lucky we aren't one of those mean adventuring parties, that'd show you...
Monk: I'm afraid we are beaten....
Fighter: There has got to be a way the two of us can take him....How much do you weigh?
Monk:

 

[Shard O'Glase]

My first thought was:

"Man, that is a LOT of adamantine."

That's why its so rare, the frakin titans stole it all to make some hammers. You could destabalize the wrold market by killing one of these guys.

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Hi Upper_Krust!

Originally posted by Upper_Krust
...whereas I get annoyed when WotC tell us a Huge creature should have approx. +16 Str and +8 Con beyond typical ranges then mess with that for no reason...or rather because the way they delegate damage and hit points is totally incongrous with regards size which is why they have to arbitrarily mess about with ability scores so much.

I assume they did it for CR reasons (eg they've got their own stock 20th-level PCs sitting somewhere). I've always taken those stat ranges as minimums (there are a lot of creatures that exceed those ranges).

Besides, it's a titan, so it's allowed to have high stats. Just as long as it doesn't rival Goku It's two steps removed from a deity (as opposed to the solar, which is only one step). At least, IMO.

High Offense/Low Defense do you mean?

I'm all for variety provided it is clearly explained.

Oops ... I fixed the typo. Yeah, I meant low defense.

RandomNinja, that's hilarious.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

On the DR issue, am I the only one who noticed the Titans listed as favoring sundering attacks?

Yet another problem with the new DR system IMO. Before with it just being magic, you could focus it all into your sword and avoid many sunders by its magical power. Now you have to diversify, an items will shatter left and right when facing semi intelligent foes.

Sundering was a tactically sound action before now its tactically retarded not to sunder if your DR is to a special material or alignment. And honestly sunders are just anti fun like a mordenkinens disjunciton, I really don't want more motivaiton to use them.

 

[drnuncheon]

...whereas I get annoyed when WotC tell us a Huge creature should have approx. +16 Str and +8 Con beyond typical ranges then mess with that for no reason...

That's for a Medium-sized creature advanced to Huge, U_K! If you're going to go by anything, you should be looking at the 'typical creature statistics by size' charts (the ones I'm looking at are in the MM2, since the FF doesn't have them). After all, going by the 'size increase' chart, halflings and gnomes ought to have -4 to their strength scores instead of only -2, and -2 to their Con as well. Clearly members of those races are exceptionally strong and hardy for their size - just as the titans seem to be.

In any case, going by the MM2 charts, a 'typical' Huge outsider has Str 28-29 and Con 20-21. The titan exceeds those by quite a bit - but they're supposed to be tough customers! They've got "great physical strength" and are of "heroic proportions", after all, and if a human of 'heroic proportions' can have +10 (or more) strength over an average human, it's not too much of a stretch for titans to have +10 (or more) strength over the average Huge outsider.

As for the enormous Con, they are "closer to the wellsprings of life than mere mortals", which suggests to me that the designers didn't just decide to give a high Con arbitrarily - they wanted to represent the titan's near-deific toughness. They are, after all, based on the titans of Greek myth, and anyone who can survive having his liver torn out on a daily basis deserves a nice high Con in my book. If a 39 is what it needs to be to keep the titan a CR 21 challenge - and to live up to the designer's expectations - then that's what it ought to be!

J