5E: Converting AD&D Monsters to Fifth Edition

ilgatto

How inconvenient
Adonides
Size type, alignment
Armor Class ## (type)
Hit Points ## (#d# + ##)
Speed ## ft., climb/fly/swim ## ft.


STR​
DEX​
CON​
INT​
WIS​
CHA​
## (+–#)​
## (+–#)​
## (+–#)​
## (+–#)​
## (+–#)​
## (+–#)​

Saving Throws Stat +#
Skills Skill +#, Skill +#
Damage Vulnerabilities type, type
Damage Resistances type, type
Damage Immunities type, type
Condition Immunities type, type
Senses ???vision/sense/sight ## ft., passive Perception ##
Languages ### —
Challenge # (### XP) Proficiency Bonus +#

Special Trait. ???.

Special Trait. ???.

Actions

Multiattack. The ??? makes ??? attacks: ??? with its ??? and ??? with its ???.

Attack. Melee Weapon Attack: +# to hit, reach # ft., one target. Hit: # (#d# + #) ??? damage.

Attack. Ranged Weapon Attack: +# to hit, range ##/## ft., one target. Hit: # (#d# + #) ??? damage.

Action (#/day). ???.
 ???.

Action (Recharge 5-6). ???.
 ???.


Description

???.
 ???.
Subsection. ???.
 ???.

Subsection. ???.
 ???.


(Originally appeared in Dragon Magazine #76 (August 1983) as part of "The Nine Hells, Part II" by Ed Greenwood.)

I know absolutely nothing of 5E, but is it important for your conversion (Dragon 91, pp. 19 and 26):

that Adonides is known as "Steward of the Realm";

that his name is pronounced "Ah-don-eeds";

and that: "The hollows, caves, and glacial clefts of Caina are vast and remain little plundered for their mineral wealth, but Adonides, Steward of the Realm, keeps a careful eye on what creatures go where and what areas are disturbed. No intruders will mine in even the most remote areas of Caina for long before an ice devil, or a patrol of 1-4 ice devils, or even Adonides himself, with his guard of 16 ice devils, will appear"?
 

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Cleon

Hero
Interesting, so maybe he needs some ranger-type sensing abilities...hmmm

Well it seems more likely that he just has a diabolically efficient intelligence-gathering network that keeps him appraised of unauthorized excavations.

Although I can't think of many beings that would want to sneak into the Nine Hells to illegally mine. Maybe it's other devils stealing the plane's mineral wealth he's concerned about?
 

Cleon

Hero
But I digress. Funny how many D&D monsters - some would even say D&D itself (as per Arneson binge-watching horror movies for Blackmoor) - were actually based on "horror films from the 70's". I suppose it was all one could get one's hands on in that dark time when Fantasy only occasionally made it to the TV screen. How the times have changed.

Early D&D has skads of influences, but I tend to think of the literary ones first. A fair few monsters are inspired by fantasy novels. Still, the cinematic origins of some monsters are very obvious.

You've got to wait for 2E before the anime-inspired monsters turn up, although a few Daikaiju make it into 1E.

What I find curious is the White Dwarf Weresnake is credited to Cas Liber, so either our colleague has been using the same nom-de-plume for forty years or that's his actual handle!
 



ilgatto

How inconvenient
Well it seems more likely that he just has a diabolically efficient intelligence-gathering network that keeps him appraised of unauthorized excavations.

Although I can't think of many beings that would want to sneak into the Nine Hells to illegally mine. Maybe it's other devils stealing the plane's mineral wealth he's concerned about?

For what it's worth, I'm inclined to agree.

First because Ed Greenwood doesn't mention Adonides having any Ranger-like abilities (e.g., as opposed to Bifrons, sort of, who has "a natural knack for navigating (knowing where he is, even on the Prime Material Plane, and intuitively knowing accurate compass directions)"; Dragon 76, p. 31).
And second because I've always thought of the Dukes of Hell as feudal lords of a kind lording it over their fiefs from their castles (or lairs, it's D&D after all) ever since I read Greenwood's utterly inspiring Nine Hells articles back in the day. That also fits in nicely with their alignment and the hierarchical structure of "diabolic society".

Now, since Adonides is, of course, a vengeful and meticulous cretin, fighting to maintain his position like any other devil, in a position to command his lessers, and (last but not least) in charge of the security and internal stability of Caina, the notion of him having a diabolically efficient intelligence network seems inevitable.

As to who to protect the mineral wealth from, it wouldn't be a stretch to think of the many lesser devils of the Hells as "serfs" who incessantly have to strive to escape the oppression of their betters, to move upward in the hierarchy, and even to keep their current status. Details of this are best left to each individual DM but could include getting one's hands on (some of) the riches of the plane. This could range from lowly individuals or goups of them, to one of Bifrons' commanders engaging in a spot of unauthorized excavation to amass a stupendous amount of precious stones to get in his lord and master's good books (Bifrons collects gems; Dragon 76, p. 31). And then, of course, there will always be the odd powerful PC and their associates deciding to go and see for themselves whether there's any truth to the rumors of the fabulous riches of Caina.

Why Adonides would appear in person is explained in Dragon 76 (p. 29: "Adonides is naturally cruel and high-handed, and (...) the steward of Caina spends much of his time roaming the plane with a guard of 16 ice devils, searching for and punishing intruders and those who misbehave or act to betray Mephistopheles."). I would personally combine this with an unofficial love of "riding to hounds", which fits in nicely with his natural cruelty.

Just some thoughts.

By the by: whatever happened to 1E/2E abilities of devils in general (e.g., induce fear)?
 

Casimir Liber

Adventurer
Sound logical - heh, all the more reason to statblock him as he's more likely than others to appear in person :LOL: .

1E fiend statblocks I recall having loads of spells and abilities that have been trimmed down/out in 5e
 

ilgatto

How inconvenient
Sound logical - heh, all the more reason to statblock him as he's more likely than others to appear in person :LOL: .

Indeed.

1E fiend statblocks I recall having loads of spells and abilities that have been trimmed down/out in 5e

Shame.

But I assume that 5E abilities probably more than make up for this?
EDIT: Grammar correction.
 
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Cleon

Hero
Now, since Adonides is, of course, a vengeful and meticulous cretin, fighting to maintain his position like any other devil, in a position to command his lessers, and (last but not least) in charge of the security and internal stability of Caina, the notion of him having a diabolically efficient intelligence network seems inevitable.

Eh? He's Exceptionally Intelligence in 1E, which is the commonest Intelligence for the diabolic nobility in Mr Greenwood's Nine Hells articles and is hardly a cretin.

Just did a quick search of The Nine Hells articles and the count was 40 Exceptionals, 19 Geniuses, 4 Supra-Geniuses and one High Intelligence score (Malarea the Greater Devil) among the devils.
 

Cleon

Hero
But I assume that 5E abilities probably more than make up for this?
EDIT: Grammar correction.

5E Devils tend to be a lot simpler mechanically than their AD&D versions.

Power wise it's hard to tell since the game mechanics are rather different, but the nastier 1E monsters tends to be a worse proposition than their 5E incarnations if only because AD&D monsters tend to have more unpleasant special abilities (as in save-or-die and save-or-have-a-life-made-of-suck-that-usually-ends-quickly attacks).
 

ilgatto

How inconvenient
Eh? He's Exceptionally Intelligence in 1E, which is the commonest Intelligence for the diabolic nobility in Mr Greenwood's Nine Hells articles and is hardly a cretin.

Just did a quick search of The Nine Hells articles and the count was 40 Exceptionals, 19 Geniuses, 4 Supra-Geniuses and one High Intelligence score (Malarea the Greater Devil) among the devils.

Pray excuse the misnomer. As I have now found out (wikipedia), I have used the word 'cretin' without knowing what it actually means.

Oh well, never too old to learn.
 



ilgatto

How inconvenient
Now I'm wondering what you though "cretin" meant.
Thought as much. I have always thought it to mean something like a 'nasty, villainous creature'. Sort of made sense until yesterday.

Unfortunately, I may actually have used it in several of my attempts to write texts in English, which will now require checking.


Just to be on the safe side: I would like it to be known throughout the Infernal Realm that I have never run the great and esteemed Adonides, Steward of the Realm, nor any of his no less worthy underlings, nor, indeed, any other Infernal Denizen, as a cretin in the newly found sense of the word.
 
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Cleon

Hero
Thought as much. I have always thought it to mean something like a 'nasty, villainous creature'. Sort of made sense until yesterday.

So some kind of reprobate or blaggard rather than an idiot? The similarity to "crook" or "criminal" could have thrown you off, I suppose.

Unfortunately, I may actually have used it in several of my attempts to write texts in English, which will now require checking.

Oops. I've done a few similar things in my time. It's a pain trying to remember where all the typos are. At least with computers we have Find-and-Replace to help find them now!
 


ilgatto

How inconvenient
So some kind of reprobate or blaggard rather than an idiot?

Absolutely nothing to do with idiot. Blaggard isn't really it either because it sort of implies a link to the criminal (wiktionary). Perhaps something like 'unpleasant' would cover it best.

The similarity to "crook" or "criminal" could have thrown you off, I suppose.

Nah. I probably first read/heard it used as an insult in some book or TV show distinguished by its eloquence and verbiage (Cugel? Monty Python?) and then decided it meant something like 'unpleasant creature'.

Anyway. Off to do some Control-H-ing.
 

Cleon

Hero
Absolutely nothing to do with idiot. Blaggard isn't really it either because it sort of implies a link to the criminal (wiktionary). Perhaps something like 'unpleasant' would cover it best.

I tend to think of blaggard as being an immoral and treacherous person. It's long amused me that it's how "blackguard" is often pronounced. Not criminal per se, but a low-mannered bounder that a proper gentleperson would not want to associate themselves with.
 

ilgatto

How inconvenient
I tend to think of blaggard as being an immoral and treacherous person. It's long amused me that it's how "blackguard" is often pronounced. Not criminal per se, but a low-mannered bounder that a proper gentleperson would not want to associate themselves with.
I consider Stephen Fry to be the indisputable king of pronouncing the word "blackguard". Must have been in some episode of Blackadder Goes Forth.
EDIT: Fourth>Forth
 
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