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5E 5e EPIC MONSTER UPDATES

dave2008

Legend
For me, I don't need more neutral or good anything. I'd rather see more epic, bad guy minions. Medium or large size, so I don't need an absurd space for the combats.

Anything in particular? Epic minions seems a bit like an oxymoron to me! ;)

FYI, I see this as an issue in general with epic play. It isn't epic it you are still fighting minions IMO, but that is kinda how lvl 1-20 are set up. And I imagine it gets boring always fighting demon lords or arch devils. That is another reason I just added a bunch of "epic minions" from the Epic Level Handbook (they are not stated yet). One thing I am thinking of adding are swarms, such as:

Demon Horde (Different CR/stat block for a horde of balors vs horde of hezrou)
Infernal Legion
Celestial Host
Flight of Dragons
 

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Faenor

Explorer
Good points, and agreed it's a problem with epic tier play. How do I do epic level dungeons where you have a series of encounters that are challenging, and create that attrition that 5e is based on, before getting to the epic boss. Otherwise I'm just like "ok, you plane shift into this vast open space. Epic bad guy floating there 200 feet away. Roll initiative."
 

dave2008

Legend
Good points, and agreed it's a problem with epic tier play. How do I do epic level dungeons where you have a series of encounters that are challenging, and create that attrition that 5e is based on, before getting to the epic boss. Otherwise I'm just like "ok, you plane shift into this vast open space. Epic bad guy floating there 200 feet away. Roll initiative."
I think epic level play probably needs a different paradigm. Mostly investigation, exploration,etc. and then BAM! the big throwdown.

However, any epic minions you would like to see?
 

Faenor

Explorer
I'm sorry, I don't know of anything. Also, I don't necessarily mean cr20+ minion. Mid-teens for cr. Stuff to cut through. You know, actually. Abishai have potential. Dragon like, but medium to large size. No legendaries, though reactions and bonus actions are good. To be used in fighting to the boss, and supporting the boss. Also, exploration I find to be boring with no risk. If a pit trap or a difficult climb aren't dangerous, then they are just delaying tactics.
 

dave2008

Legend
I'm sorry, I don't know of anything. Also, I don't necessarily mean cr20+ minion. Mid-teens for cr. Stuff to cut through. You know, actually. Abishai have potential. Dragon like, but medium to large size. No legendaries, though reactions and bonus actions are good. To be used in fighting to the boss, and supporting the boss. Also, exploration I find to be boring with no risk. If a pit trap or a difficult climb aren't dangerous, then they are just delaying tactics.
Got it. We do probably need more monsters in the CR 15-20 range to fill that role, but unfortunately that is not the goal of this thread. I have thought about doing an update of CR10-21 monsters, but I don't know that I will have the time.
 

Matrix Sorcica

Adventurer
I have no need of dragons besides the chromatic and maybe a metalic or two (and dracolisks). All the neverending page fillers of "fog dragon" and "rural hillside dragon" and "cucumber dragon" are just blah, imo.
 

dave2008

Legend
I have no need of dragons besides the chromatic and maybe a metalic or two (and dracolisks). All the neverending page fillers of "fog dragon" and "rural hillside dragon" and "cucumber dragon" are just blah, imo.
Thank you for the feedback! I tend to agree. I'm of the mind that if I need more powerful dragons I will just make them unique version of the typical types. I can always add them later if there is a demand for them.
 

dave2008

Legend
Attack of the Colossi! I have added the God Forged Colossus, the Iron Colossus, the Stone Colossus, and the Flesh Colossus to the Constructs section.
 
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dave2008

Legend
I have added the Anaxim to the Constructs section. Just the Umbral Blot to go and I will be finished with the drafts of the epic constructs ( for now at least).
 

dave2008

Legend
I have uploaded the Umbral Blot, aka "Blackball," to the Constructs section. This completes my planned list of epic constructs.

The Umbral Blot is an odd thing to make a stat-block for and was a bit more time time consuming than I anticipated (it was the first construct I started and the last one I finished). I'm not 100% satisfied, but I am generally happy with how it turned out.
 
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Matrix Sorcica

Adventurer
I think it turned out quite well.
Think you should note the size of the Blot, since that is important for the disintegration ability.
 

dave2008

Legend
I think it turned out quite well.
Think you should note the size of the Blot, since that is important for the disintegration ability.
Thank you for the feedback! I did list it as "medium" sized, so there is that. When, and if, I ever get around to adding the fluff text I would note the size there (5' diameter sphere). It is not something you typically see in a stat-block. Though I typically do it when I give something the "colossal" trait.
 

dave2008

Legend
I have added Blibdoolpoolp, the Kuo-Toa goddess, the the Demigods section. This is the last of my planned demigods. But I can add more uppon request, and after I get Volo's I may find some more I want to add.
 


dave2008

Legend
clearly you have produced a list of monsters people could print off at the FedEx and use as a foe manual. And clearly they are not all the same power scale as each other. I think you make it easier for DMs running a campaign with spells over 9th level.
Responding to the highlighted part. Actually all the monsters in this thread have a CR based on my revised table (in the OP). Now, some of my contributors use a more complex method (relying on ongoing spell damage and buffs for the DPR) than I typically design, but they should use the same scale. However, these are first drafts, so there can be some errors and inconsistencies.

you should make a short high level adventure, maybe for 20th-25th level characters, and include the mini table for levels 21-25 in the first could of pages.
I might try it some time, but it is not my forte. I run a very sandboxy player driven campaign and just don't have a lot of experience planning, let alone writing an adventure. Over in my Epic Characters thread I have a section reserved for Epic Adventures. It would be a good idea to post a short adventure there to describe my epic encounter balance ideas and setup. But that is a long way off.

Finally, have you checked out the epic character options on the DM's guilde? I purchased one of them, but the one that is selling the best is a little more than I want to spend at this time. For what I can see they have a lot of similarities. They both take the PC's to 30th level. The one I purchased ("Epic Options" by Gerard Shore) as notes on up to level 18 spell slots and how to advance certain spells to these higher levels. There a no new spells and, to be honest, the explanation on how to obtain the epic spell slots is not very well done. The other one ("Epic Characters" by Marc Altfuldisch) is very highly rated and a best seller (gold level) which is impressive since it is epic content that costs $10 (high for the DMsGuild). I have not purchased it yet, but I will when I get to working on my PC epic options. However, I don't see anything about epic spells in the ToC and since he caps proficiency at +6 I don't think it is the approach your interested in, but I could be wrong.
 


dave2008

Legend
I am adding Psionic abilities and powers from another home brew to your monsters.
What say you?
Have at it. As long as your not trying to sell them I certainly don't have any issue. I've never played with psionics in my games, so I probably will not be adding them. But feel free to with these whatever you want - that's why I've posted them.
 

Terraproxy

First Post
Have at it. As long as your not trying to sell them I certainly don't have any issue. I've never played with psionics in my games, so I probably will not be adding them. But feel free to with these whatever you want - that's why I've posted them.
Stealing is lame, so is a balanced game.
extremes for life. Peace.
 


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