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5e EPIC MONSTER UPDATES

dave2008

Adventurer
Do you possibly have a rough draft for Primus? I may need him in my campaign.
At this point I only have a concept for it. This version of Primus will definitely be more powerful than the 1e version. I don't believe it has received stats in any other version. I have him tentatively place at CR 40, but that may change. I plan for Primus to posses one of the Elder Spells which makes it one of the 8 most powerful entities in existence.

That being said, I can add him to my to do list:

1) Finish Demon Lords and Princes - by the end of the year
2) Finish Iggwilv - by the end of the year
3) Finish Bahamut - 1st of next yeaer
4) Primus?
 

dave2008

Adventurer
Awesome! Any tips on working something up myself in the meantime?
Well, unfortunately I don't have a lot of advice on Primus per se, but this is my general approach:

1) Collect the information on the monster's stats in each edition they were published.
2) Understand how the monster ranks (in terms of power) compared to other epic monster of its edition
3) Collect lore from each edition
4) Compare to monsters of relatively the same amount of power in 5th edition. In this case you can pick a few monsters of similar CR to your intended CR from the monsters in this tread.
5) Re-skin a monster that is similar.
6) Add powers that are unique to the monster you want to make, either from published stats or lore, or what theme you want for the monster

That's about it. If you like, I can give you the word template I use and the CR calculation spreadsheets I've made.
 
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dave2008

Adventurer
I have added the Excel spreadsheets and Word documents I use to create these epic monsters to the Downloads page linked to in the OP. These are the most up to date versions for those who already have them. I have added some instructions and an improved DPR calculator based on the one [MENTION=6801226]MechaTarrasque[/MENTION] gave me.

Please note: There are 2 excel spreadsheets in the download, but they are the same file. I accidentally posted it twice and now I can't seem to delete one.
 

dave2008

Adventurer
I have uploaded Pale Night to the Demon Lords section. She is the last of the currently planned Demon Lords (I hope to add more later). Now on to finish the Demon Princes!
 

dave2008

Adventurer
I have added Obox-Ob to the Demon Princes section. I have also updated Demogorgon as some of my first batch of Demon Princes seemed to need a little refresh. I hope to update Orcus, Graz-zt and Fraz as well, if needed.
 

dave2008

Adventurer
I have added Miska the Wolf Spider to the Demon Princes section. I have also updated Orcus and Graz'zt. Just the Queen of Chaos to go!

On that subject, if anyone has any ideas about the QoC I would appreciate it. As far as I can tell she has never been officially stated, so all I have is a description to go one. Her story seems very similar to Pale Night (in fact I confused the two for a while), but I want to find something more unique to go on.
 
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dave2008

Adventurer
I have added the Queen of Chaos to the Demon Princes section. This concludes my current list of Demon Lords and Princes. I would like to add more later, but I hope to complete the rest of the list first. If anyone wants to contribute a demon lord, please send it to me and I will review and post it.

I have also updated the compiled download PDF and added a printer friendly version. I plan to update both on a monthly basis.

However, I do plan to take about a month break from posting (if I can;) Happy new year!
 

dave2008

Adventurer
I have rearrange the thread some. I have grouped Demon Prince and Demon Lords in the same post (#7) under a new heading "Arch-Fiends (Chaotic Evil) and I have grouped the Arch-Devils and Dukes in the same post (#10) under the new heading "Arch-Fiends (Lawful Evil)." This allowed me to get space for a future "Arch-Fiends (neutral Evil) post (#9), and I revised post #11 to contain "Giants" and "Humanoids."

The major reason for this change is I was asked to stat Iggwilv and I didn't have a good place to put her. So I have uploaded Iggwilv to the new Humanoids section.

There are two stat blocks for her. One is CR 15 which is the highest I could get her as a straight up 20th level wizard with a spell list based on her 3.5e incarnation (Savage Tides AP). To get this high of a CR I had to give her some seriously OP equipment as well. The second version (the Witch Queen) is full of epic boons and epic ASIs and a slightly modified spell list. This gets her CR up to 24. FYI, the XP needed to get her to this level is approximately 200% more than required to simply get to level 20. Also, please note that this CR is reliant on casting meteor swarm 3 times (the max her CR 24 version can cast). If the fight goes beyond 3 rounds her CR drops significantly.

I have also included a write-up for her unique magic items.
 

Matrix Sorcica

Explorer
5E is weird in the way spells not only memorized but actually cast determines CR. Really a headache actually. Good job on Iggwilv, though.
 

dave2008

Adventurer
5E is weird in the way spells not only memorized but actually cast determines CR. Really a headache actually. Good job on Iggwilv, though.
Thank you! Spellcasters are more difficult and there is no clear way to say how imprisonment affects CR. When it can obviously have a big influence on a battle.
 

dave2008

Adventurer
Sorry, that should read Snurre Ironbelly (stupid autocorrect). He's the eponymous big bad from the 1E adventure "Halls of the Fire Giant King", which is part of "Against the Giants" and all the different iterations of that module. He appears on the 5E PHB cover, actually....although I don't think he's appeared anywhere else in the 5E publications. I believe that Chris Perkins did a remake of "Hall of the Fire Giant King" for 4E and Snurre's stats appeared in that, but I am not sure where that adventure appeared. I suppose it was in the online version of Dungeon Magazine.

Eclavdra is the High Priestess of Lolth from the 1E adventure "Vault of the Drow", which is the continuation of the "Against the Giants" series. They're all collected in the epic campaign "Queen of the Spiders". Eclavdra's stats last appeared in the 3E Epic Level Handbook.

Both of them, along with Iggwilv, are characters we used back in the early days of my group's D&D experience. Snurre lost an eye to one of our PCs and then fled, and Eclavdra had to flee from the PCs after they defeated her forces. My current campaign continues a lot of what we did back then, so I have brought these characters back into he fold.

Iggwilv was never meant to be fought back then, and I am not aware she ever really had any official stats, but I am sure she was statted out in the 3E days and I just don't know where.
Just wanted to let you know I have posted Iggwilv (in the humanoids section, page 2, post #11 I think). I have a request for Bahamut and Primus and then I'll take a look at Eclavdra and Snurre
 

hawkeyefan

Explorer
Just wanted to let you know I have posted Iggwilv (in the humanoids section, page 2, post #11 I think). I have a request for Bahamut and Primus and then I'll take a look at Eclavdra and Snurre
That's great! I like both versions, and the distinction by designating her as The Witch Queen in the more powerful version.

I will almost surely use this in my campaign....now I'll just have to decide which to use when the time comes. It's quite a delta....we'll have to see where my PCs are at by that point in the campaign.

Thanks for the effort and for sharing all of these.
 

dave2008

Adventurer
That's great! I like both versions, and the distinction by designating her as The Witch Queen in the more powerful version.

I will almost surely use this in my campaign....now I'll just have to decide which to use when the time comes. It's quite a delta....we'll have to see where my PCs are at by that point in the campaign.

Thanks for the effort and for sharing all of these.
It would be easy enough to drop her CR down. The big ones are the boon of recovery and the shield spell. The Witch Queen as shield as an at-will spell so she essentially always has a +5 to AC. If you keep her AC at 24 (swap out the shield spell for another spell) and remove the boon of recovery (which I factored into her effective HP) then I think she is CR 20-21. If you then drop meteor swarm, she is down around CR 17-18 I think.
 

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