A bit tired of people knocking videogames...

[Dannager]

To which I respond: I have yet to see one definition supplied in this thread that didn't have anything at all to do with videogames; and as stated before, it doesn't matter if it has nothing to do with videogames in particular, etc. since if something reminds the speaker of videogames, it reminds the speaker of videogames.

So instead of "pertains to, has qualities of or is somewhat like videogames", you agree that "makes me personally think of video games in a particular way" is more accurate. Which is where I said the problem stems from in the first place.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

But I'm not going to spend all that time typing out the definition of "videogamey" when I can use the word itself.

When you play a brand new 1Ed arcane spellcaster, do you write "Lvl 1 person who practises or professes to practise magic" or do you write "Wizard?"

(If you do the latter, are you concerned that someone might think you're meaning some other kind of wizard, like one dealing with electronics? Or pinball?)

 

[Dannager]

But I'm not going to spend all that time typing out the definition of "videogamey" when I can use the word itself.

Don't type out the definition of "videogamey", then. Type out your actual issues with the game. You'll have to, eventually, anyway, won't you? I mean, have you ever seen someone call 4e videogamey on here without someone else challenging them or asking them to explain what they mean? Or, perhaps worse, saying something along the lines of "I know! [thing that you don't agree is videogamey] is so videogamey!"?

I mean, if you've found a place where everyone knows what you're talking about when you use words like "videogamey", cool, but I don't think that place is here.

 

[Dannager]

(If you do the latter, are you concerned that someone might think you're meaning some other kind of wizard, like one dealing with electronics? Or pinball?)

If someone gets the mistaken impression that I am a pinball wizard, I am totally cool with this.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Don't type out the definition of "videogamey", then. Type out your actual issues with the game. You'll have to, eventually, anyway, won't you?

I'll use "videogamey", thank you, since that IS my issue, and will deliver a detailed explanation if and when asked.

 

[Dannager]

I'll use "videogamey", thank you, since that IS my issue, and will deliver a detailed explanation if and when asked.

Okay.

 

[Neonchameleon]

You can't take the term too literally. For me, I'll call something videogamey when it seems like it is being implemented in my D&D game for no other reason than the fact that "it's cool & would be awesome to do that in D&D." Because face it, that's how a lot of content is thrown into video games.

This is ironic; if you read Old Geezer's posts on RPG.net, the main reason he gives for a lot of what's in D&D is "We made some up we thought would be fun." And (for those of you who aren't aware) he was at Gygax's and Arneson's table.

I'll use "videogamey", thank you, since that IS my issue, and will deliver a detailed explanation if and when asked.

You'll use it despite it being unclear and insulting? And as I (and others) have pointed out, throwing oil on the edition war fires? OK.

 

[Hungry Like The Wolf]

I swear if you post again with your elitist 'I'm smarter than all of you' bullcrap again, I'm going to kill a kitten. I'm not only going to kill it, I'm going to throw it on the grill and serve it to my grandmother with her poached eggs.

For real man. Enough of that. There are plenty of gamers that believe the term has a productive meaning. There are probably more gamers that believe it does than there are gamers that believe they are intellectual superior than me because they believe it doesn't. The only ignorance is not knowing it's productive meaning when people have been explaining it for 37 pages.

Don't be annoying.

Nice bit of generalisation to counter his elitism. Don't be annoying.

 

[JamesonCourage]

Don't type out the definition of "videogamey", then. Type out your actual issues with the game. You'll have to, eventually, anyway, won't you?

Actually, I think that might be the problem. If someone says "why don't you like 4e?" and I reply "it's too video-gamey for me," then we can all agree that it reminds me of a video game to some degree, or I wouldn't use the term.

Now, you can ask me from here why I dislike the game (whatever the reason, be it balance, powers, healing surges, better starting survivability, etc.), and you can show me why they aren't like video games (or no more than, say, 3.x).

At the end of the conversation, my main problem will still be that it reminds me of video games. The explanation is just a list of how these things remind me. The entire conversation is based on my subjective opinions. You can get upset all you want, but if my mind connects "healing surge" with "4e" and "video games" then it will remind me of video games.

And that was the original complaint leveled. It wasn't "healing surges." It was "video-gamey." And that's why. It's not logical, but it's truthful.

Does this make sense? I think we can clear this one issue up, honestly. We're all intelligent people

I know some people still find the term insulting to video games, but it's not inherently, and I can go into a civil discourse on that once again if asked.

Anyways, play what you like

 

[Neonchameleon]

At the end of the conversation, my main problem will still be that it reminds me of video games. The explanation is just a list of how these things remind me. The entire conversation is based on my subjective opinions. You can get upset all you want, but if my mind connects "healing surge" with "4e" and "video games" then it will remind me of video games.

And when I have demonstrated that almost every single objection you make is a lot less like common video games than prior editions are, I am going to come to a different conclusion on what you don't like. The reason to me appears to be that you are far more familiar with classic D&D tropes than you are with 4e and hit points + unlimited healing get a pass from you where limited healing does not not through any actual likeness to video games but through familiarity. Rule by rule, AD&D & 3.X are IME much more like video games than 4e - but they do not go analysed by this because they are much older. Even in terms of feel - I've hit an entire dungeon at a run in 3.X with a well made group, never stopping for more than a few seconds for someone to pull out the Wand of Cure Light Wounds*. 4e that would be stupid. Our PCs need rest.

And that was the original complaint leveled. It wasn't "healing surges." It was "video-gamey." And that's why. It's not logical, but it's truthful.

It's also at best the beginnings of a discussion not the end of one. At worst it's adding fuel to the edition war fires.

Anyways, play what you like

Agreed.

* 3 4th level PCs hitting an orc dungeon intended for 5 5th level PCs. Unfortunately thanks to the twinked Bard we had +4 to hit and damage, and the artificer meant we were all carrying Orcbane weapons. (Along with the Lesser Magic Weapon wands).