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ThirdWizard
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Darkness said:
Yeah, that's what confuses me. I don't know how something can be both. But, maybe that's just me, I dunno.
Hypersmurf
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ThirdWizard said:
A natural armor bonus is not an armor bonus.
An incorporeal touch attack is not a touch attack.
A dead creature is not a creature.
That glossary you're so fond of?
creature
A living or otherwise active being, not an object.
Unless that corpse is 'living or otherwise active', it's not a creature.
Since part of the definition of 'creature' is 'not an object', you're right - you can't be both at the same time. But you can be a 'dead creature' without being a 'creature'.
-Hyp.
ThirdWizard
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Ahh that makes sense. I wasn't thinking of it in terms of it being a "dead creature" I was thinking of it being a dead "creature" if you understand me. Dead creature, is then, a term all its own separate from creature. Gotcha.
Laman Stahros
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Mistwell said:My favorite example of rules wonkiness is the Prayer Beads: Karma Bead Only. Calculate the price...go ahead, give it a try
Okay, in the 3.5 DMG, the (standard) strand of prayer beads is screwy (poor math skills), but the greater strand of prayer beads is correct. Just work from the greater strand, problem solved.
Hypersmurf
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Laman Stahros said:
Not if I just want a Bead of Smiting
-Hyp.
ElectricDragon
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Related to this is the strangeness found in the animate dead spell and the stone to flesh spell.
Animate dead requires a dead creature made of a mostly intact corpse or skeleton. This dead creature must have bones to become a skeleton or an anatomy to become a zombie.
Stone to flesh can turn a stone golem into a flesh golem (??!!). Or it can turn a statue into a corpse.
Stone to flesh makes no mention of whether an anatomy is included with the corpse or if even bones are a part of it. Is there a mention of a definition of "anatomy" in the glossory?
Webster's Online Dictionary says: a·nat·o·my ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-nt-m)
n. pl. a·nat·o·mies
1. The bodily structure of a plant or an animal or of any of its parts.
2. The science of the shape and structure of organisms and their parts.
3. A treatise on anatomic science.
4. Dissection of a plant or animal to study the structure, position, and interrelation of its various parts.
5. A skeleton.
6. The human body.
7. A detailed examination or analysis: the anatomy of a crime.
Which definition applies? I guess #1. Since Stone to Flesh is instantaneous, a found body might actually be a statue and not subject to animating and only an autopsy would tell why.
I assume that the added anatomy part is 3.5e's answer to turning a dungeon full of statues into zombies (yes it has been done IMC). It is an efficient way of gaining an undead following without the moral objections from paladins. It also brings into question the evil descriptor of the spell (animate dead). While it is still okay to flesh a wall in order to cut past the traps and monsters, turning statues into zombies is now out. (A sideline question that has come up is: Is this flesh edible if food stores are low?)
The sentence about stone golem to flesh golem IMHO should have been removed; usually when someone can cast a 6th level spell, they already know that stone golems are immune to most spells and this one does not work that way on them. The sentence is just there for misinformation. Most other spells of this level do not include misinformation. Though I still find it strange that a 5th level spell (transmute rock to mud) does more against a stone golem than this 6th level one that says it is effective. It is almost as if the designers want mages to die when fighting a stone golem because they prepared the wrong spells and what they have is not very effective (good for only one round). As DM, I want to be in charge of the misinformation in my game; it should not be a part of the RAW.
Sorry for the slight hijack, but as for strange rules, its seems to fit.
Ciao
Dave
Animate dead requires a dead creature made of a mostly intact corpse or skeleton. This dead creature must have bones to become a skeleton or an anatomy to become a zombie.
Stone to flesh can turn a stone golem into a flesh golem (??!!). Or it can turn a statue into a corpse.
Stone to flesh makes no mention of whether an anatomy is included with the corpse or if even bones are a part of it. Is there a mention of a definition of "anatomy" in the glossory?
Webster's Online Dictionary says: a·nat·o·my ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-nt-m)
n. pl. a·nat·o·mies
1. The bodily structure of a plant or an animal or of any of its parts.
2. The science of the shape and structure of organisms and their parts.
3. A treatise on anatomic science.
4. Dissection of a plant or animal to study the structure, position, and interrelation of its various parts.
5. A skeleton.
6. The human body.
7. A detailed examination or analysis: the anatomy of a crime.
Which definition applies? I guess #1. Since Stone to Flesh is instantaneous, a found body might actually be a statue and not subject to animating and only an autopsy would tell why.
I assume that the added anatomy part is 3.5e's answer to turning a dungeon full of statues into zombies (yes it has been done IMC). It is an efficient way of gaining an undead following without the moral objections from paladins. It also brings into question the evil descriptor of the spell (animate dead). While it is still okay to flesh a wall in order to cut past the traps and monsters, turning statues into zombies is now out. (A sideline question that has come up is: Is this flesh edible if food stores are low?)
The sentence about stone golem to flesh golem IMHO should have been removed; usually when someone can cast a 6th level spell, they already know that stone golems are immune to most spells and this one does not work that way on them. The sentence is just there for misinformation. Most other spells of this level do not include misinformation. Though I still find it strange that a 5th level spell (transmute rock to mud) does more against a stone golem than this 6th level one that says it is effective. It is almost as if the designers want mages to die when fighting a stone golem because they prepared the wrong spells and what they have is not very effective (good for only one round). As DM, I want to be in charge of the misinformation in my game; it should not be a part of the RAW.
Sorry for the slight hijack, but as for strange rules, its seems to fit.
Ciao
Dave
ThirdWizard
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I think you can order a golem (if its yours) to lower its immunity (since its treated as SR) so that you could cast Stone to Flesh on it. Now, why one would want to do that, I'm not sure. So its technically possible, just not very common.
I usually make Stone to Flesh on not previously fleshy things make them into random bits of flesh with no real meaning behind where things are. muscles, skin, various organs, all mishmashed together randomly. Since I describe it in detail, it has only come up once, actually. They never wanted to do it again. I'd assume it would be very edible however.
I usually make Stone to Flesh on not previously fleshy things make them into random bits of flesh with no real meaning behind where things are. muscles, skin, various organs, all mishmashed together randomly. Since I describe it in detail, it has only come up once, actually. They never wanted to do it again. I'd assume it would be very edible however.
Rystil Arden
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I normally would not agree that one can simply "lower" its immunity. Can a golem or mindless undead lower its immunity to mind-affecting spells and be affected by an emotion-incuding enchantment spell? I think not. Then again, creatures immune to Polymorphing can still Polymorph themselves, but I think that this is because it is specifically called out in the text of the Immunity to Polymorph ability.ThirdWizard said:I think you can order a golem (if its yours) to lower its immunity (since its treated as SR) so that you could cast Stone to Flesh on it. Now, why one would want to do that, I'm not sure. So its technically possible, just not very common.
I usually make Stone to Flesh on not previously fleshy things make them into random bits of flesh with no real meaning behind where things are. muscles, skin, various organs, all mishmashed together randomly. Since I describe it in detail, it has only come up once, actually. They never wanted to do it again. I'd assume it would be very edible however.
ThirdWizard
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That's true. After reading the description, I see that it isn't actual Spell Resistance, it just works like Spell Resistance. And it wouldn't make much sense for, say, a red dragon to take some fire damage because it felt like it.
