A different kind of arcane trickster

[Thanee]

Rogue 3 / Cleric of Mystra 11 / Arcane Trickster X

With Greater Anyspell you fulfill the arcane casting requirements.
And... The arcane trickster PrC can add to divine caster level as well!

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Thanee

 

[Darklone]

I think only a very sick DM will allow this...

 

[Thanee]

Heh. I was kinda surprised, when I checked something, that the arcane trickster listed divine stuff in the example for the +1 caster level ability.

Then noticed, it doesn't - altho it probably should - add arcane caster levels, but instead generic.

You could also make a Rogue 3/Wizard 5/Cleric 1/Arcane Trickster X and have it add to the divine casting, but that would be pretty pointless.

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Thanee

 

[nameless]

You could also make a Rogue 3/Wizard 5/Cleric 1/Arcane Trickster X and have it add to the divine casting, but that would be pretty pointless.

True, but it might not be pointless to do something like Bard 1/Cleric 4/Assassin 3 (Assassin 3 is enough due to the sneak attack and Illusory Script is "at least one 3rd level spell", even though Assassins can get it as a level 2 spell. If you don't think that counts, you'd have to go to level 5 as an Assassin), assuming evil is an option. It's the same minimum level as an "arcane" Arcane Trickster, and only loses one spellcasting level.

 

[Thanee]

I don't think it counts, if you can cast a spell other arcane casters have at 3rd level. Otherwise being a Rogue 3/Bard 4 would be enough as well to fulfill that requirement.

Anyways, you lose a lot more levels if you need Bard 1/Cleric 4/Assassin 5 instead of the Rogue 3/Cleric 11 (6 instead of 3), even tho it's a late PrC entrance (lvl 15), you still only lose the 3 levels for your caster level.

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Thanee

 

[nameless]

Anyspell definitely doesn't count as Arcane spellcasting, though. It's a divine spell, and the slot doesn't count as an arcane spell (unless there is text somewhere that I'm not seeing).

It's probably not legal to count a level 2 assassin spell as level 3, either, though. 5 levels of Assassin does satisfy all the requirements except for Mage Hand, though, leaving you a lot of flexibility to take those first 5 levels. The divine trickster seems like a viable character type, now that I see it.

 

[Thanee]

Greater Anyspell allows you to "...read and prepare any arcane spell of up to 5th level..."

It even says later in the Anyspell description: "When you cast the arcane spell..."

Clear enough?

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Thanee

 

[Thanee]

Anyways, I still don't see what you want to achieve with the Assassin route here, except for losing spell levels for some extra special abilities?

The point I was making is, that you can get a full-scale divine caster (at the same level as an arcane caster qualifying for arcane trickster - like Rogue 3/Wizard 5/Arcane Trickster X), which is kinda funny as the class is - quite obviously - meant for arcane casters.

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Thanee

 

[UltimaGabe]

You can't become an Arcane Trickster unless you cast Arcane spells. Although a spell may be arcane, a Cleric with Anyspell casts it as a Divine spell. For example, if you use Anyspell to cast Burning Hands, do you have to deal with Arcane Spell Failure? Of course not, because you're casting it as a Divine Spell.

Even if you could gain access to the class, it would provide you with little or no benefit to your spellcasting ability. If I'm not mistaken, Arcane Trickster only advances your Arcane Spellcaster level, and if you manage to take it as a Cleric, you don't have an Arcane Spellcaster level. So you wouldn't have a class to add it to. So you'd be getting the special abilities, but your Cleric spells would be exactly the same.

Even if you DID have levels of an arcane spellcasting class (such as one level of Bard or a level or two of Assassin, unless you qualified for Arcane Trickster with that class (thus making this entire issue pointless), you couldn't add onto it. Just like if you have 13 levels of Wizard and 1 level of Sorcerer, you can't have the Archmage class add onto your Sorcerer ability.

 

[Thanee]

Anyspell lets you prepare and cast arcane spells. I'm pretty sure, you have to deal with arcane spell failure for those, too.

Arcane trickster advances any spellcasting class, not only arcane.

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Thanee