Level Up (A5E) About Parrying

Koyh

First Post
"When you are wielding this weapon
and you are not using a shield, once before your
next turn you can gain an expertise die to your
AC against a single melee attack made against you
by a creature you can see. You cannot use this
property while incapacitated, paralyzed, rattled,
restrained, or stunned."


If i am wielding 2 parrying daggers, would i be able to do 2 parries?
 

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As a DM, I would interpret "once before your next turn" to mean once per round, period—not once per weapon per round. However, I don't think there's anything game-breaking about interpreting it the other way.
 


tetrasodium

Legend
Supporter
"When you are wielding this weapon
and you are not using a shield, once before your
next turn you can gain an expertise die to your
AC against a single melee attack made against you
by a creature you can see. You cannot use this
property while incapacitated, paralyzed, rattled,
restrained, or stunned."


If i am wielding 2 parrying daggers, would i be able to do 2 parries?
I'd allow it per weapon but 3 of the 5 players in my group have decided parry weapons are the thing for them with the other 2 being casters. Parry is incredibly powerful so far but they are just shy of level 6 & starting to hit multiattack creatures & I'm not sure if that will change much since monsters generally don;t really seem to have the tohit to really handle parry weapons & heavy armor too well. Compared to something like defensive (bonus action for +1 ac from your shield) I'm not sure if any other weapon property can really compare

edit: thinking about it though I too would have it roll up to a d6 not 1d4 against 2 attacks
 
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Anselm

Adventurer
I've ruled once per round per weapon. They could choose to use both at the same time to increase the die to a d6

edit: just to expand on why, the weapon itself has the property and restriction of "once per turn". Therefore it's pretty easy to reason that two weapons would each have their own "once per turn" ability. Only a creature proficient with the weapon can use that property and the only simple weapon with parrying is two handed (quarterstaff) so it's limited to mostly martial characters who've invested in two weapon fighting. Additionally, and I'd be curious to see the math on when one becomes better than the other, a shield is going to be better than one or two parrying weapons against a lot of attacks. As the average of a d4 it's +2.5. 50% of the time it's going to be equal or worse and the other 50% your ac has a chance of stopping something higher, but it's not guaranteed. But the third, fourth, and beyond times it's 0. It sure doesn't feel broken to give them two uses and encourages active decisions off the player's turn. Seems like a win all around.
 
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Anselm

Adventurer
As is written you could combine them. I can't say for certain if that's intentional or not. Does make a shield spell/parry weapon a useful combo though
You'd need someone who is both proficient with a non simple weapon that has parrying (quarterstaff is the only simple weapon with parrying and iit's two handed, shield has somatic component) and can cast first level spells. Not super hard to do but its a fringe stacking ability that at most gets a +9 to ac. A regular shield and the shield spell already gets to +7 and has been a part of O5e since it started without anyone complaining of a problem.


I'd honestly be stoked if my players did combine the two. Sounds like an awesome bladesinger type ability. "parry! Oh that only gets me to +2 and I needed +3... Shield!"
 
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W'rkncacnter

Adventurer
I'd honestly be stoked if my players did combine the two. Sounds like an awesome bladesinger type ability. "parry! Oh that only gets me to +2 and I needed +3... Shield!"
i'd imagine it'd be more useful the other way around - "dammit, that's 7 higher then my ac, i can't shield...can i try to parry first? oh thank god that's a 2 i cast shield"
 

WarDriveWorley

Adventurer
You'd need someone who is both proficient with a non simple weapon that has parrying (quarterstaff it's the only simple weapon with parrying and it's two handed, shield has somatic component) and can cast first level spells. Not super hard to do but its a fringe stacking ability that at most gets a +9 to ac. A regular shield and the shield spell already gets to +7 and has been a part of O5e since it started without anyone complaining of a problem.


I'd honestly be stoked if my players did combine the two. Sounds like an awesome bladesinger type ability. "parry! Oh that only gets me to +2 and I needed +3... Shield!"
One of my players is a Goblin Wizard using the Studio Agate War Mage Archetype so he's a full wizard with Light, Medium, and Heavy armor prof, shield prof, Martial weapon prof, and took the Warcaster/Battlecaster feat so he can avoid Somatic/Seen components. He'll be thrilled when I show him this.
 

tetrasodium

Legend
Supporter
You'd need someone who is both proficient with a non simple weapon that has parrying (quarterstaff it's the only simple weapon with parrying and it's two handed, shield has somatic component) and can cast first level spells. Not super hard to do but its a fringe stacking ability that at most gets a +9 to ac. A regular shield and the shield spell already gets to +7 and has been a part of O5e since it started without anyone complaining of a problem.


I'd honestly be stoked if my players did combine the two. Sounds like an awesome bladesinger type ability. "parry! Oh that only gets me to +2 and I needed +3... Shield!"
There are lots of ways to get a level 1 spell, it's probably easier the other way around to add shield to a greatsword with parry if getting martial weapon prof is at all a hurdle
 

Anselm

Adventurer
There are lots of ways to get a level 1 spell, it's probably easier the other way around to add shield to a greatsword with parry if getting martial weapon prof is at all a hurdle
Yup. I did say it's not super hard. Either way, it would require multi class, a feat, or training time depending which direction your coming from. It's an investment though and it's not that powerful of a combo to be worried about power if someone invested anything at all to get it.
 

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