Adding more than 1 alignment on a weapon

[IanB]

The rules text for anarchic says the weapon becomes "chaotically-aligned." The rules text for axiomatic says the weapon becomes "lawfully-aligned." There's no legal alignment for which an item can be both lawfully and chaotically aligned.

Unless we're arguing that 'aligned' doesn't mean the D&D alignment system, I don't see how it can work.

 

[Hypersmurf]

No. Because the spell description says you can't.

The spell says it can't be applied to a weapon that has an alignment.

If it can't be applied to a Holy weapon, it's because that weapon has an alignment. Since a Holy weapon is good-aligned and has an alignment, that alignment must be LG, NG, or CG.

If it can't be applied to an Unholy weapon, it's because that weapon has an alignment. Since an Unholy weapon is evil-aligned and has an alignment, that alignment must be LE, NE, or CE.

And again, this leads to an impossibility if we try to construct a Holy Unholy weapon... a weapon that has an alignment, that is simultaneously LG, NG, or CG, and also LE, NE, or CE.

So, either a Holy Unholy weapon is impossible (because a Holy weapon has an alignment), or there's no problem casting Align Weapon on a Holy weapon (because 'good-aligned' doesn't mean 'has an alignment').

Both cases cannot be true.

-Hyp.

 

[Abraxas]

Just curious - Is there a rule that states an item can't have more than one alignment?

 

[Jack Simth]

So.... has anyone ever successfully given a satisfactory RAW answer to the question of "What's the alignment of a Holy Axiomatic +1 arrow fired from an Unholy Chotic +1 Bow?"

 

[Abraxas]

More questions.

Why does a Holy weapon have to be LG, NG or CG for it to be an invalid target for the align weapon spell? Why can't it just be "Good" in the same manner that good aligned spells are "Good" without a chaos/law component?

So, either a Holy Unholy weapon is impossible (because a Holy weapon has an alignment), or there's no problem casting Align Weapon on a Holy weapon (because 'good-aligned' doesn't mean 'has an alignment').

Or a Holy Unholy weapon is possible because there is no restriction on those special abilities and there is a problem casting Align Weapon on a Holy weapon because it is has an alignment of "Good".

 

[Lord Pendragon]

an alignment of "Good".

An alignment of "Good" is Neutral-Good.

 

[glass]

Why does a Holy weapon have to be LG, NG or CG for it to be an invalid target for the align weapon spell? Why can't it just be "Good" in the same manner that good aligned spells are "Good" without a chaos/law component?

Because it has an alignment, and there is no such slignment as 'Good without the chaos/law component'.

AFAIK, there are no good aligned spells (or spell of any alignment)*, but if there were they would be LG, NG, or CG, because they are the only possible good alignments.

EDIT: * Except possibly spells with the living spell template.


glass.

 

[Li Shenron]

If someone attempted to add the Unholy property to a Holy weapon (permanently or temporarily), I will definitely rule something on the spot in order to make them at least cancel each other out, or possibly even make some small dangerous effect.

It just makes no sense for something to be Holy and Unholy at the same time, whatever the rules say.

 

[Drowbane]

If someone attempted to add the Unholy property to a Holy weapon (permanently or temporarily), I will definitely rule something on the spot in order to make them at least cancel each other out, or possibly even make some small dangerous effect.

It just makes no sense for something to be Holy and Unholy at the same time, whatever the rules say.

this reminds me of the Nodwick when the Paladin and Blackguard touched each other
and exploded.

 

[Lamoni]

So.... has anyone ever successfully given a satisfactory RAW answer to the question of "What's the alignment of a Holy Axiomatic +1 arrow fired from an Unholy Chotic +1 Bow?"

I haven't heard of one because I don't think there is one. You would have to add something to the rules we have to cover this. The ruling I would give in a game would be to keep the extra damage properties of the enhancements, but the arrow would be neutral and not able to overcome any alignment DR. Like I said, this isn't covered in the RAW. You just can't have something that is lawful chaotic good evil. That isn't an alignment in D&D and if you wanted to play a character like that you would either be considered true neutral or truly insane.