Advice: How to get Charisma bonus to Saves

[Artoomis]

I am looking for ways for my now-15th level Bard to get his Charisma bonus to saving throws. He has taken the Force of Personality feat (Charisma bonus to Willpower saves) already.

Rules: All 3.5 WotC source books are allowed. Taking another class at level 17 is a possibility, though not preferred.

Alternatively, any cool suggestions for how to leverage a very high Charisma would be welcome. At next kevel (16) he'll have a +10 Charisma bonus.

Current weaknesses:

1. Not very high Fort saves.
2. No Spell Resistance.
3. Low Armor Class

Anything Charisma-based that would help counter any of those would be very cool. I don't know of any way to apply Charisma bonus to AC or SR, but that either of those aid survivability a great deal.

Thanks for your ideas!

 

[szilard]

Look at the Marshall class: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20030906b

It should do what you want... and for your friends, too!

-Stuart

 

[Heckler]

Ruin Delver's Fortune. Bard 4 out of the Spell Compendium.

 

[blargney the second]

There's the CG paladin of freedom in UA that'll give you divine grace.

 

[smootrk]

Seconding the option of taking Paladin (or appropriate variant) to get Divine Grace. Charisma bonus to All Saves is awesome.

 

[Nifft]

How do we know Paladin (of Freedom) is an appropriate class? What about the Blackguard option?

For Charisma to AC, you'd want Swordsage + Sorcerer + Ascetic Mage.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Erywin]

For Charisma to AC, you'd want Swordsage + Sorcerer + Ascetic Mage.

Cheers, -- N

Actually that won't work, Ascetic Mage actually calls out the Monks bonus to AC, saying that if you have levels in sorcerer and monk, those levels stack for determining your AC bouns. And unfortunately the Swordsage AC bonus doesn't reference the Monk ability I wish they would work together cause I wanted to make a swordsage/battle sorcerer but just couldn't make it work

Cheers,
E

 

[Nifft]

Actually that won't work, Ascetic Mage actually calls out the Monks bonus to AC, saying that if you have levels in sorcerer and monk, those levels stack for determining your AC bouns. And unfortunately the Swordsage AC bonus doesn't reference the Monk ability I wish they would work together cause I wanted to make a swordsage/battle sorcerer but just couldn't make it work

I read those two sentences as separate.

"If you have levels in sorcerer and monk, those levels stack for the purpose of determining your AC bonus." (example, and then: ) "If you would normally be allowed to add your Wisdom bonus to AC (such as for a[sic] unarmored, unencumbered monk), you instead add your Charisma bonus (if any) to your AC."

Note how the first sentence requires monk levels, while the second merely uses monk as an example.

Swordsage 2 / Sorcerer 4 would NOT gain a special Monk bonus to AC, but he would add his Charisma to AC, which is better.

Cheers, -- N

 

[backbeat]

Here's a far out thought: Hexblade. 2 levels gets you a free action curse for -2 to everything, and an ability to add CHA to all saves vs spells and spell-like abilities. The downside is that even at +10 CHA your curse will be like DC 21 so it probably won't do much unless you take an ability focus feat.

I"m having loads of fun with a high CHA fighter - Knight/Hexblade going for Cyran Avenger. If you don't mind taking track, Cyran Avenger (from Eberon 5 Nations is great for Bards too).

 

[saucercrab]

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