Advice: How to get Charisma bonus to Saves

[Erywin]

I read those two sentences as separate.

"If you have levels in sorcerer and monk, those levels stack for the purpose of determining your AC bonus." (example, and then: ) "If you would normally be allowed to add your Wisdom bonus to AC (such as for a[sic] unarmored, unencumbered monk), you instead add your Charisma bonus (if any) to your AC."

Note how the first sentence requires monk levels, while the second merely uses monk as an example.

Swordsage 2 / Sorcerer 4 would NOT gain a special Monk bonus to AC, but he would add his Charisma to AC, which is better.

Cheers, -- N

Hmm didn't think to look at it that way Makes one of my builds alot more viable. Thanks Nifft

Cheers,
E

 

[griff_goodbeard]

Sounds Like Arcane Duelist is right up your alley.

 

[Diirk]

How do we know Paladin (of Freedom) is an appropriate class? What about the Blackguard option?

For Charisma to AC, you'd want Swordsage + Sorcerer + Ascetic Mage.

Cheers, -- N

Why sorcerer ? He's a 15th level bard, I'm pretty sure he can already spontaneously cast 2nd level spells. All he needs is the normal wis to AC (monk, sword sage etc) and the improved unarmed strike for the feat prereq.

 

[Nifft]

Why sorcerer ? He's a 15th level bard, I'm pretty sure he can already spontaneously cast 2nd level spells. All he needs is the normal wis to AC (monk, sword sage etc) and the improved unarmed strike for the feat prereq.

Right, makes sense.

Cheers, -- N

 

[questbreaker]

How do we know Paladin (of Freedom) is an appropriate class? What about the Blackguard option?

For Charisma to AC, you'd want Swordsage + Sorcerer + Ascetic Mage.

Cheers, -- N

plus swordsage gets WIS to AC as well. the monk gets WIS added to the DEX mod for purposes of determining AC. so you get double your WIS added to AC, unless this is forbidden...

 

[Darklone]

I don't think a swordsage monk would get WIS twice to AC.

 

[Erywin]

Yeah its been stated before that a monk only gets Wis to AC when unarmored and a Swordsage only gets it when wearing Light armor. Unfortunately I don't see a way of making that work.

 

[Stalker0]

Another call out for Ruin Delver's fortune, such a great spell.

 

[Artoomis]

Lots of good advice.

Ruin Delver's Fortune looks good - pretty short duration, but very valuable as an Immediate Action.

I think I may take that at 16th level (as a trade from another spell). Tough choices - especially as Improved Mirror Image is out there, too, to potentially take up another valuable 4th level slot.

 

[Shayuri]

Actually, a better match for a bard (one that doesn't require lawful alignment) might be Ninja. It works with Ascetic Mage too.