Ahsoka - SPOILERS

[Enevhar Aldarion]

The concept of the Grey Jedi has been around since the KOTOR game in 2003 and has been my preferred version of Jedi since then. No, the game is not current canon, and I am not sure if the term has ever been used in a Disney canon source, though Qui-Gon Jinn has been labeled a Grey Jedi.

 

[RangerWickett]

Well, we know that Thrawn isn't involved in The Force Awakens. There's no reason he isn't knocking about by that point. Although, he'd be considerably older. Isn't there about 20 years between Ahsoka and TFA? ((I keep having a hard time keeping up with the timeline)).

But, in any case, there's no reason that Thrawn can't still be around. He's just not involved in those movies.

He ends up stranded in another another dimension galaxy, and then Filoni makes a series where John Boyega and Oscar Isaac run into him.

Because Filoni's job is apparently taking Star Wars that's crappy and eventually building enough audience sympathy with the characters that fans like it again.

Like, the prequels are bad movies. Way worse in terms of pacing, editing, characterization, and general storytelling than the original trilogy. But Clone Wars eventually gave those characters some actually well-portrayed arcs. Maybe Filoni will figure out a way to make people like the whole 'Somehow Palpatine has returned' thing. And then in 20 years young nerds will say, "I always loved the sequels."

 

[RangerWickett]

Indeed. Between white light and pitch black lie all the colours of the rainbow. Why stop at grey?

I use the Green Side of the Force. I cast Craw Wurm!

 

[RangerWickett]

Bendu was a mistake from the jump, as are the Mortis gods, but neither actually canonize a “grey side”.

Yeah, IIRC Bendu says he's 'the one in the middle,' but that could just mean 'one who refuses to take sides between the Jedi and the Sith, and who just uses the Force without worrying about whether it's pure or tainted.'

 

[doctorbadwolf]

The concept of the Grey Jedi has been around since the KOTOR game in 2003 and has been my preferred version of Jedi since then. No, the game is not current canon, and I am not sure if the term has ever been used in a Disney canon source, though Qui-Gon Jinn has been labeled a Grey Jedi.

If Qui-Gon Jinn is "grey", then the term is meaningless. He's as Light Side as Obi-Wan or Yoda. Qui-gon is just a Jedi whose focus is on "The Living Force", which is not distinct in terms of light and dark from the rest of the jedi.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Yeah, IIRC Bendu says he's 'the one in the middle,' but that could just mean 'one who refuses to take sides between the Jedi and the Sith, and who just uses the Force without worrying about whether it's pure or tainted.'

This is true, and it get him bombarded from orbit, and struck me as a "this thing he's trying to be doesn't work" more than proof that there is a "grey side".

Same with the Mortis gods, really. Allowing the Son to be part of the triad and be Dark without admonition from the Father is what leads to the Daughter's death. And even the Father says he's the balance between the two or whatever but is he? Seems more like he's just an ineffectual light side entity that is won't choose sides in an existential war.

Like Light Side doesn't mean "morally perfect". It just means using the force without corruption, and being guided by the force rather than trying to dominate it to your will.

"Grey" only exists in transition, not in stable balance.

 

[Stalker0]

If go back to the legends novels, Jacen Solo explored as many different "belief systems" of the force as he could find. He eventually came to think that light and dark could be balanced against each other, in a "grey form".

And....he was wrong. He was corrupted by the dark side ultimately.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Popular media is like 99% moral ambiguity ffs. Just let there be this one thing that isn’t.

That's because without moral complexity they quickly run out of interesting stories and characters. Star Wars managed to sustain black and white morality for about 1.9 movies.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

...but Shin’s bad haircut irritates me.

Really? Her hair is a big part of what makes her the "sexy bad girl" that the internet is going nuts over and in love with.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

If Qui-Gon Jinn is "grey", then the term is meaningless. He's as Light Side as Obi-Wan or Yoda. Qui-gon is just a Jedi whose focus is on "The Living Force", which is not distinct in terms of light and dark from the rest of the jedi.

From what I briefly read, he is labeled as Grey because he is willing to go against Jedi orders when he thinks he knows better.

From other brief readings, there was a Grey Jedi Order founded in 132 BBY, but I am guessing that is only EU/Legends stuff now.