Ahsoka - SPOILERS

[Vael]

Other Force traditions interest me, but I've never been a fan of "Grey" Jedi, as it seems to be "I just want to Force Choke and Lightning people without falling to the Dark Side".

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Like Light Side doesn't mean "morally perfect". It just means using the force without corruption, and being guided by the force rather than trying to dominate it to your will.

If you allow yourself to by guided by the Force, you are acting without free will. And if the light side denies free will, it cannot be "good".

But that is not how the light side works. It does not "guide" beyond the precognition it grants. The teachings of the Jedi order guide, which is why they indoctrinate small children. Baylan and Ahsoka illustrate this. They use the light side of the force. they fight calmly, without anger. They do not gain strength from needless cruelty. They do not shoot lightning from their fingers or control the minds of others. But both reject the teachings of the jedi order (as Luke eventually also learns to do) and make their own moral decisions.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Other Force traditions interest me, but I've never been a fan of "Grey" Jedi, as it seems to be "I just want to Force Choke and Lightning people without falling to the Dark Side".

Yes, they should be able to be used when necessary. It is the being malicious when using them or enjoying using them, that must be avoided.

 

[Vael]

I'd argue one is always malicious when one is choking the life out of someone.

 

[pukunui]

Really? Her hair is a big part of what makes her the "sexy bad girl" that the internet is going nuts over and in love with.

I had no idea.


Isn’t whatshisname with the yellow stripes on his face considered a grey Jedi? (EDIT: Quinlan Vos!)

Also, ‘grey Jedi’ sometimes just means ‘doesn’t always obey the council’ – that’s why Qui-Gonn is referred to as a grey Jedi. Not because he tried to walk a line between light and dark but because he was something of a renegade who did things his own way, sometimes in defiance of the council (cf. Anakin).

 

[Zardnaar]

If Qui-Gon Jinn is "grey", then the term is meaningless. He's as Light Side as Obi-Wan or Yoda. Qui-gon is just a Jedi whose focus is on "The Living Force", which is not distinct in terms of light and dark from the rest of the jedi.

Broadly speaking there's several thoughts on Grey Jedi.

1. Force user that's not a member of the Jedi order.

2. Jedi who can use the light and darkside.

3. Jedi transitioning to the dark side or dark Jedi transitioning to the light.

4. Jedi not obeying or independent of the Jedi council/order (if it exists)

Baylans probably a dark Jedi even if that term isn't used in show.

 

[pukunui]

Broadly speaking there's 3 thoughts on Grey Jedi.

1. Force user that's not a member of the Jedi order.

2. Jedi who can use the light and darkside.

3. Jedi transitioning to the dark side or dark Jedi transitioning to the light.

Baylans probably a dark Jedi even if that term isn't used in show.

As per my post above, you forgot one: Jedi who doesn’t always do what the council wants (cf. Qui-Gon).

From wookieepedia’s Legends article on grey Jedi: “The term was sometimes used to refer to unorthodox or dissident Jedi who did not meet the strictest requirements of being a Jedi. For example, the Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn was thought of by some members of the Jedi Order as a Gray Jedi for his disagreements with the High Council.”

 

[Vael]

This is a meaningless definition. Luke is a Grey Jedi, because he acts against the wishes of the last member of the Jedi Council.

 

[Zardnaar]

As per my post above, you forgot one: Jedi who doesn’t always do what the council wants (cf. Qui-Gon).

Isn't that number 4?

Derp you quoted me before I finished post.

I don't agree with number 1 myself. If you haven't had Jedi traing you're not a Jedi eg Nightsister.

Shins a Jedi (probably dark) in all but name.

 

[billd91]

Also, ‘grey Jedi’ sometimes just means ‘doesn’t always obey the council’ – that’s why Qui-Gonn is referred to as a grey Jedi. Not because he tried to walk a line between light and dark but because he was something of a renegade who did things his own way, sometimes in defiance of the council (cf. Anakin).

Honestly, I think that's a terrible use of the term. Qui-Gon isn't a gray jedi in the sense of being between the light and dark sides. He's a bit of a maverick, that's all.