Ahsoka - SPOILERS

[doctorbadwolf]

Although a little silly, that is an example of what is bad with binary systems that have no shades of grey. While people love to hate on the D&D alignment system, it at least allows for those shades of grey/in-between characters.

So does Star Wars. Luke does go back and forth between light wide and dark side, he just sometimes does a questionable thing, but remains Light because he doesn’t give in to anger, hate, greed for power, etc. and doesn’t needlessly cause suffering for his own benefit.

Someone who does those things is evil/dark, even if they sometimes uplift someone in a time of doubt, or help an urchin get thier family off the street, or whatever. Palpatine was very friendly. And very evil!

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Well, Baylan was specifically trained as a Jedi in the old days before Order 66, and Shin was trained by him, as he put it: "not to be a Jedi, but to be better than them." Filoni also specifically gave them the orange light sabers to show they are not Sith or as outright evil as the Sith. And Shin also did a Force Choke on Sabine in episode 5, so they are capable of the dark-side powers.

Like I told someone else, I’ll hold off on discussing them in any detail until the season is done.

But also force choke just doesn’t seem to indicate dark side outside of games, when the target isn’t killed.

 

[pukunui]

One review I read implied that Shin has a thing for Sabine. I don't really see it myself, but that might explain why Sabine got off easy with the lightsaber impale. Maybe Shin was only aiming to disable her rather than kill her.

Also, another review suggested that the bits of gold and red bands on Thrawn's 'Night troopers' are Japanese stylings symbolizing that they're undead. I mean, Captain Enoch even has a gold death mask (reminds me of the Returned from Theros).

Also, I thought it was interesting that the Fates Great Mothers* singled out Sabine as a Jedi but didn't mention Baylan and Shin. I guess they could sense that Sabine, despite having no control of the Force, is trying to be a Jedi, whereas Baylan, despite being raised at the temple, no longer considers himself one and isn't training Shin to be one (despite her having a padawan braid).


*Did anyone else note that the three Great Mothers are named Klothow, Aktropaw, and Lakesis? ... Sound familiar?

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Also, I thought it was interesting that the Great Mothers* singled out Sabine as a Jedi but didn't mention Baylan and Shin.

My guess is that Sabine will show our first glimpse of a flaw in the mainstream understanding of the force, and have a relavetory moment where she realizes Kanan wasn’t foolin when he talked about the force not being something only some people have access to, it’s just that most people are closed off to it. (Don’t recall his exact wording)

I don’t think she will be shown to be powerful like other force users we have seen, and she wouldn’t have been accepted by the Jedi Order, but…are the Matukai canon these days? Did they feature in TCW? Their thing is using discipline and training to develop force talent in people so “weak” they weren’t or wouldn’t have been allowed to become Jedi, right?

Either way, I think she will challenge our notion of force sensitivity, and that will be a theme in the post-sequels SW media as it begins with Rey’s new Jedi Order stuff.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Dude, someone needs to feed Sabine some magic mushrooms and open up her Chakras, so that she can become One with the Universe and feel the Force flowing through and around her.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

This is an absurd leap. Being guided by the force does not mean acting without free will by any reasonable stretch of imagination. Quo-Gon and Yoda are both guided by the force.

Qui-Gon believes he is being guided by the Force to train Anakin. Yoda believes he is being guided by the for to refuse to train Anakin. Ergo at least one of them is not guided by the Force. The Jedi council believes one thing, then changes it's mind and believes the opposite. They are guided by their own opinions, which they ascribe to the Force.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

*Did anyone else note that the three Great Mothers are named Klothow, Aktropaw, and Lakesis? ... Sound familiar?

I didn't catch their names, but I would have been surprised if there had not been three of them.

A drum, a drum, Thrawn has come.

(Yeah, he knew his Greek myths too).

 

[Paul Farquhar]

This is an absurd leap. Being guided by the force does not mean acting without free will by any reasonable stretch of imagination. Quo-Gon and Yoda are both guided by the force.

If you always do as you are told you are acting without free will.

 

[Hussar]

Sure there is. He wants the galaxy stable. He isn't just going to sit it out, and he can't "be around" without having a significant impact on events. And Palpatine wants him dead. So if he aint dead he is still stuck in a different galaxy.

It’s a big galaxy. We had six movies, twenty years of fiction and years of animated series without needing to explain Thrawn. It’s not really that hard.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Qui-Gon believes he is being guided by the Force to train Anakin. Yoda believes he is being guided by the for to refuse to train Anakin. Ergo at least one of them is not guided by the Force. The Jedi council believes one thing, then changes its mind and believes the opposite. They are guided by their own opinions, which they ascribe to the Force.

Dude if you want to Hitchens The Force, find someone else.

If you always do as you are told you are acting without free will.

It’s a wild jump from “guide by” to “unerringly obedient to”.