Airwalkrr's Greyhawk D&D 3.5 - Maure Castle OOC

Thanee: You can make just about any request you like of a planar ally. However each deity tends to send a particular creature for each version of the spell. I will need to search for the rules on this, but Mayaheine is likely to send Archons or other LG-aligned outsiders for each individual spell. In other words, every time you cast lesser planar ally, you will always get a particular type of creature (perhaps a hound archon). If I can’t find Mayaheine’s list, I will choose which creatures are keyed to each spell and let you know in advance so that you know which types of creatures you are likely to get for each spell. You will always get the same type of creature unless you specifically request an individual (who may or may not answer according to my discretion).

In the case of the Planar Ally spell (the 6th level one), it would then most likely be the Trumpet Archon, I guess... LG and 12 HD (for the three spells I would expect the following from a LG deity... Lesser: Hound Archon; Standard: Trumpet Archon; Greater: Planetar). The Trumpet Archon is one of the two I meant (the Ghaele Eladrin is the other).

According to the rules “a spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus or have an XP cost.” Hence if the creature has raise dead as a spell-like ability, it would technically cost nothing for them to cast it. However if the creature actually casts spells as opposed to having spell-like abilities, the creature will require the actual material component in addition to the normal cost for the planar ally spell. A summoned creature on the other hand “refuses to cast any spells that would cost it XP, or to use any spell-like abilities that would cost XP if they were spells.” In general, whether a creature is summoned or called, it is hesitant to use any spells or abilities that do or would cost gold pieces or XP. They will typically require a service in lieu of an actual gift of gold pieces in order to prove that the person receiving the spell or ability is worthy of their deity’s cause. I hope that makes sense.

Yep. As I said, I wouldn't really expect the material component to come for free (it's a spellcasting ability, no spell-like ability), even though that would certainly be nice. ;)

Anyways, this might be a good "fallback spell" (we would have to keep a bunch of diamonds ready, though; or at least appropriate amounts of gold, as I suppose a creature that has the spell prepared (i.e. in its typical spell list) also has the material component around, otherwise it would be a bit silly to actually prepare it, so paying it in gold should work, too)... will have to think about whether that is better than to have Summon Monster VI at the ready (which is also quite nice... always good to have another fighter around :)). At the very least, it would give us access to raising the dead if necessary.

A note about dispel magic: Not that I am trying to convince you to take it, Thanee, but dispel magic is still enormously useful at high levels because of the simple fact that it can be used as an area dispel when fighting many enemies at once. With the opportunity to keep rolling a dispel check on each spell affecting a target at least once, you often have a fairly good chance to dispel one effect on all targets in the area. A target with four spells active means you get up to four chances to dispel one effect on the target so your chance to roll high is improved.

It's all about opportunity costs... :lol:

But as said, our Warlock has Dispel Magic at will, so there is no real need to have it, too. I will probably get Greater Dispel Magic later. :)

Bye
Thanee
 

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Very interesting thread. I will maybe join as an alternate.

airwalkrr, what is your opinion on alternate class features, like dungeoncrasher for fighters in DungeonScape?
 

In the case of the Planar Ally spell (the 6th level one), it would then most likely be the Trumpet Archon, I guess... LG and 12 HD (for the three spells I would expect the following from a LG deity... Lesser: Hound Archon; Standard: Trumpet Archon; Greater: Planetar). The Trumpet Archon is one of the two I meant (the Ghaele Eladrin is the other).
I'll sit down one day and look through my books to see if Mayaheine's planar allies are listed. If not, I'll pick them myself and let you know.
Anyways, this might be a good "fallback spell" (we would have to keep a bunch of diamonds ready, though; or at least appropriate amounts of gold, as I suppose a creature that has the spell prepared (i.e. in its typical spell list) also has the material component around, otherwise it would be a bit silly to actually prepare it, so paying it in gold should work, too)...
A creature of that nature wouldn't necessarily have to keep the material component on hand. First, such creatures can often travel instantly via teleport or other means. Second, such creatures could keep the spell handy just in case they are called (either by their deity, another of their kind, or a mortal in need), much like you are planning to do.
 

Very interesting thread. I will maybe join as an alternate.

airwalkrr, what is your opinion on alternate class features, like dungeoncrasher for fighters in DungeonScape?
I would have to approve alternate class features on a case-by-case basis, but by and large, I have few problems with them.
 


airwalkrr said, he would need some time still... so this won't really start until end of january or so, anyways. No need worry. ;)

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Thanee
 


Are you guys aware of the subscribe option? It allows you to get an update every time a thread is posted to. I don't even try to search forums these days, unless I am looking for a new game to join. I just subscribe to threads and click My Account when I login to ENWorld. It immediately shows you which threads have been posted to since the last time you checked them. You can also opt to have emails when a thread is posted to if you like (although I prefer not to myself, otherwise my inbox would get flooded since I am in a lot of games).
 

I don't like subscriptions. ;)

But I have built my own page to keep track of what I require here (and on other sites) and to quickly find anything. :)

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Thanee
 

I'll sit down one day and look through my books to see if Mayaheine's planar allies are listed. If not, I'll pick them myself and let you know.

Complete Divine has such lists (just found those; didn't know about them, before :)). Havn't seen Mayaheine listed there, but pretty much all the LG deities have the hound/trumpet archon for Lesser Planar Ally/Planar Ally listed (only Yondalla has hound archon/astral deva, as does Pelor).

The generic list also has Couatl and Half-Celestial Paladin (St. Cuthbert has that one, for example), but those seem a bit weak in comparison (i.e. I would rather take Summon Monster VI than having to spend XP to call one of those ;)).

Anyways, let me know what you decided on. :)

Bye
Thanee
 
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