Aliies in area blast and burst attks??

[Prestidigitalis]

Aren't you answering your own question? If something excludes the square, then doesn't that mean, well, it's excluded?

I was thinking of the feat Coordinated Explosion (PHB2, heroic) which states that:

"When you use any implement power that creates a burst or a blast, you gain a +1 bonus to attack rolls against the power’s targets if at least one ally is within the burst or the blast."

In the case of the Sorcerer Enc 1 power Whirlwind, which says "Storm Magic: You can choose not to target a creature in the origin square of the burst", the creature could arguably still be considered in the burst or the blast.

I admit, it's tenuous and nitpicky.

 

[Nikosandros]

Well darn. I was thinking specifically of an arcane feat that gave you some kind of bonus if one of your allies was in the area of the blast or burst. As I remembered it, the wording was ambiguous. Unfortunately, I can't find it now -- do you have any ideas?

It's coordinated explosion which gives a +1 bonus to attack rolls if at least one ally is the burst or blast. What is ambiguous about the wording? There is nothing in the feat description that implies that the ally is excluded from harmful effects.

 

[Prestidigitalis]

It's coordinated explosion which gives a +1 bonus to attack rolls if at least one ally is the burst or blast. What is ambiguous about the wording? There is nothing in the feat description that implies that the ally is excluded from harmful effects.

I found the feat, see edited comment above.

I wasn't suggesting the feat itself excludes the ally; rather, it might be used in conjunction with other feats or powers that do so.

 

[Nikosandros]

I was thinking of the feat Coordinated Explosion (PHB2, heroic) which states that:

"When you use any implement power that creates a burst or a blast, you gain a +1 bonus to attack rolls against the power’s targets if at least one ally is within the burst or the blast."

In the case of the Sorcerer Enc 1 power Whirlwind, which says "Storm Magic: You can choose not to target a creature in the origin square of the burst", the creature could arguably still be considered in the burst or the blast.

I admit, it's tenuous and nitpicky.

I think that this works fine. You do not target the ally, but he still is within the blast or burst. After all, the feat works perfectly fine with attack that only targets enemies.

 

[DracoSuave]

To answer this question, it depends on the nature of the exclusion.

Case 1) The power targets all enemies in the burst: The ally is in the burst, so Coordinated explosion works just fine. Bards can really enjoy Coordinated Explosion for this simple reason alone.

Case 2: Storm Magic-style 'the allie is not targeted' riders. These too, the ally is not targetted, but is not actually excluded from the burst. So it works fine too.

Case 3: Spell Accuracy-style effects actually exclude squares from the area of effect. Allies in those are NOT in the burst or blast any more and do not count for Coordinated Explosion.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Agreed with Draco and Niko as above. That combo works fine, but your original description was wrong. Your original description matched Draco's third case. The center square isn't the thing that's being excluded. In fact, enemies sharing the center square with your ally are still affected.