Alter Self

[Speaks]

I know this does not seem right but can lycanthropes be added to your list. By definition in the MM they are called either medium humaniods or large humaniods.

Speaks

 

[Darklone]

No templates, Speaks.

Therefore no halfdragon

 

[Speaks]

Darklone I would agree that applying templates to an alter self is bad form and in a home game I would house rule it but is there anything in the rules that says a template could not be applied to an alter self form or a polymorph?
Speaks

 

[Darklone]

Darklone I would agree that applying templates to an alter self is bad form and in a home game I would house rule it but is there anything in the rules that says a template could not be applied to an alter self form or a polymorph?
Speaks

Indeed.

SRD:Alter Self
Transmutation
Level: Brd 2, Sor/Wiz 2
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 10 min./level (D)
You assume the form of a creature of the same type as your normal form. The new form .... You cannot take the form of any creature with a template, even if that template doesn’t change the creature type or subtype.
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[Nail]

I raided the other thread and re-complied this list. Useful!

Feel free to do the same to me!

Monster Manual:
BUGBEAR (Medium Humanoid (Goblinoid) (Spd: 30ft Natural armor: +3) +4 Mv. Silently)
DROW (Medium Humanoid (Elf ) (Spd: 30ft))
DRUEGAR (Medium Humanoid (Dwarf) (Spd: 20ft, even in heavy armor), +4 move silently, +1 listen, spot)
DWARF (Medium Humanoid (Dwarf) (Spd: 20ft, even in heavy armor), +2 Search, Appraise, & Craft for Stone or Metal)
ELF (Medium Humanoid (Elf) (Spd: 30ft), racial bonus feats: proficiencies (longsword, rapier, any bow), +2 Spot, +2 Listen, +2 Search)
ELF, AQUATIC (Medium Humanoid (Elf, Aquatic) (Spd: 30ft, Swim 40ft, gills), racial bonus feats: proficiencies (longsword, rapier, any bow), +2 Spot, +2 Listen, +2 Search)
GITHYANKI (Medium Humanoid (Extraplanar) (Spd: 30ft))
GITHZERAI (Medium Humanoid (Extraplanar) (Spd: 30ft))
GNOLL (Medium Humanoid (Gnoll) (Spd: 30ft Natural armor: +1))
GNOME (Small Humanoid (Gnome) (Spd: 20ft), +1 AC/attack & +4 Hide (due to small size), +2 Craft(Alchemy), +2 Listen)
GOBLIN (Small Humanoid (Goblinoid) (Spd: 30ft),+1 AC/attack, +4 Hide (due to small size), +4 move silently, +4 ride)
HALF-ELF (Medium Humanoid (Elf ) (Spd: 30ft), +1 to Listen, Spot, & Search, +2 to Diplomacy & Gather Information)
HALFLING (Small Humanoid (Halfling) (Spd: 20ft), +1 AC/attack, +4 Hide (due to small size), +2 Climb, Jump, Move Silent, Listen)
HOBGOBLIN (Medium Humanoid (Goblinoid) (Spd: 30ft), +4 Mv. Silently)
HUMAN (Medium Humanoid (Human) (Spd: 30ft), racial bonus feat: any one feat(!!!))
KOBOLD (Small Humanoid (Reptilian) (Spd: 30ft Natural armor +1 Claw 1d4 Bite 1d4), +1 AC/attack & +4 Hide (due to small size), +2 craft traps, +2 profession miner, +2 search)
LIZARDFOLK (Medium Humanoid (Reptilian) (Spd: 30ft Natural armor +5), +4 jump, +4 swim, +4 balance)
LOCATHAH (Medium Humanoid (Aquatic) (Spd: 10ft Swim: 60ft Natural armor +3), +8 for swim checks for special actions, can "run" while swimming)
MERFOLK (Medium Humanoid (Aquatic) (Spd: 5ft, Swim 50ft), +8 swim chececks for special actions, take 10 on swim regardless of circumstance, can "run" while swimming)
ORC (Medium Humanoid (Orc) (Spd: 30ft) )
SVIRFNEBLIN (Small Humanoid (Gnome) (Spd: 20ft))
TROGLODYTE (Medium Humanoid (Reptilian) (Spd: 30ft Natural Armor +6 Claw 1d4 Bite 1d4), +4 hide, +8 hide in rocky settings, racial bonus feat:Multiattack )

 

[Nail]

I wanted this all in one spot......

By popular demand, Alter self choices for outsider:

lantern archon - fly 60, +4 ac
Arrowhawk (juvi) - fly 60, natural attack (bite), +4ac
Azer - +6 ac
Dretch - +5 ac, natural attacks (2 claws, 1 bite)
Quasit - fly 50, +3 ac
Imp - fly 50, +5ac, natural attack (tail, no poison)
Lemure - +4 ac, natural attacks (2 claws)
Formorian Warrior - +5 ac, natural attacks (2 claws, sting, but no poison)
Hellhound - +5 ac, scent, +5 hide, +5 move silent, natural attack (bite)
Mephits - various, but all +ac and fly
Rast - +4ac, NO fly, natural attack (4 claws or 1 bite), but 5ft move not worth taking
Ravid - +15 natural (OUCH), Natural attack (tail), free multiattack feat
Salamander (flamebrother) - +7 ac, natural attack (tail), +4 craft blacksmithing, multiattack free
Tojanda - gills, swim 90 (OUCH), +10 ac (OUCH), natural attack (bite and 2 claws), +8 swim, take 10 on swim
Triton - gills, swim 40, +6 ac, +8 swim checks, take 10 swim checks
Xill - +7 ac, natural attacks (4 claws)
Xorn - burrow 20, +12 ac (OUCH), natural attack (bite),
Yeth Hound - +8 ac, scent, natural attack (bite)

 

[Nail]

I re-edited my above posts, and added in new stuff.

Enjoy!

 

[reapersaurus]

So does the Lizardman get the claw/bite routine, or not?

I've seen it listed both ways....

 

[LokiDR]

So does the Lizardman get the claw/bite routine, or not?

I've seen it listed both ways....

SRD on Alter Self:

You acquire the physical qualities of the new form while retaining your own mind. Physical qualities include natural size, mundane movement capabilities (such as burrowing, climbing, walking, swimming, and flight with wings, to a maximum speed of 120 feet for flying or 60 feet for nonflying movement), natural armor bonus, natural weapons (such as claws, bite, and so on), racial skill bonuses, racial bonus feats, and any gross physical qualities (presence or absence of wings, number of extremities, and so forth). A body with extra limbs does not allow you to make more attacks (or more advantageous two-weapon attacks) than normal.

You get the natural weapons, but there is a question on whether or not you can use them effectively. I would say you act as if you have the attack routine without any non-racial feats for using them. In other words, all natural weapons after the first have -5 attack unless the creature you are altering into has multiattack as a racial feat.

 

[Nail]

I've looked this spell over again.....man, would it suck to be a type other than humaniod or outsider!

The fey IMC may have to come up with a new version of this spell.