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4E Am I crazy? I've just gotten a hankering to play 4e again...


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Dausuul

Legend
I think the biggest weakness was bad adventure design. In particular the H1-E3 adventure series (which I did try to run in the past year) was a big downfall. It was written with the design paradigms of previous editions - a bunch of meaningless fights designed to chip away at party resources. This is fine in editions in which combats are over in a matter of minutes, but when a combat can take 1-2 hours (or longer in the case of paragon or epic tiers), you can't reasonably make it through the adventures.
Yup, same experience here. My group was fortunate that our first foray into 4E was a homebrew campaign (that I ran), and my campaigns tend toward fewer harder combats anyway, so it fit like a glove. When one of the guys tried running a prefab adventure, it was a grindy, tedious train wreck, but by that point we knew it could be better so we didn't give up on it.

Overall, I like 5E better and I wouldn't go back, but there were certain areas where 4E absolutely shone and no other edition matches it. The one thing I really miss is the encounter-centric resource model, which liberates the DM from having to plan adventures around attrition or devise house rules for resting. If you just want one big fight for the whole day, then that's what you do, and you don't have to worry that the wizard is going to outshine the fighter because the wizard's resources are per-day limited and the fighter's are not.
 
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FaerieGodfather

Aberrant Druid
4e has never been my cup of tea. I didn't like it when I read it, I played one game that didn't change my mind, and I'll probably never run it myself or play it ever again.

But it's still a pretty decent game, there are still good reasons to like it, and by no means is there any other version of D&D that's hands down better than it is for all purposes.

I don't want to get into a regular habit of bashing 5e or its fans, but I'm already really sick of the prevalent attitude that it's the pinnacle of good D&D game design and the One D&D to reunite all of the Edition Warriors. It's not that good. No matter how good some people think it is, it's not that good.

You're not crazy. If 4e is the game you want to play-- even if it's only the game you want to play right now-- what's crazy is talking yourself into playing anything else.
 

atanakar

Hero
I don't want to get into a regular habit of bashing 5e or its fans, but I'm already really sick of the prevalent attitude that it's the pinnacle of good D&D game design and the One D&D to reunite all of the Edition Warriors. It's not that good. No matter how good some people think it is, it's not that good.
I don't see that here. On the contrary. Many threads in the recent month about 5e are complaints on how something is badly designed, sucks, needs to be changed or calls for a 6e. Sure some people defend it tooth & nail because the love it (just like other people defend OD&D) but it's not a prevalent attitude.
 

FaerieGodfather

Aberrant Druid
I don't see that here. On the contrary. Many threads in the recent month about 5e are complaints on how something is badly designed, sucks, needs to be changed or calls for a 6e. Sure some people defend it tooth & nail because the love it (just like other people defend OD&D) but it's not a prevalent attitude.
That's a comfort. I was burned recently-- not here-- and all the D&D servers I can find on Discord are almost purely 5e servers, so it's really starting to feel like I'm the only person who doesn't like it.
 

MwaO

Explorer
That's a comfort. I was burned recently-- not here-- and all the D&D servers I can find on Discord are almost purely 5e servers, so it's really starting to feel like I'm the only person who doesn't like it.
4e server on Discord with almost 1000 people:
 







I often think about running a bit of 4E again, but with the DDI dead, my enthusiasm just dies again. 4E was a great game, but the DDI is what kept quite a large, complex game properly organised and accessible to the players, and as it got shut down permanently not so long ago, I just can't really face leafing through books trying to find stuff, not when the DDI was there in one form or another for most of the time we seriously played 4E. I have copies of most (not all, sadly, I couldn't log in during the free period near the end, it just wouldn't take my login) of the characters we played and actually I think all of the monsters I created/modified (as PDFs) but... I want that lovely online rules encyclopedia and so on.

I guess 5E will eventually see the same fate with Beyond and stuff, but I suspect it'll last a long time after any 6E.
 



Mistwell

Legend
I often think about running a bit of 4E again, but with the DDI dead, my enthusiasm just dies again. 4E was a great game, but the DDI is what kept quite a large, complex game properly organised and accessible to the players, and as it got shut down permanently not so long ago, I just can't really face leafing through books trying to find stuff, not when the DDI was there in one form or another for most of the time we seriously played 4E. I have copies of most (not all, sadly, I couldn't log in during the free period near the end, it just wouldn't take my login) of the characters we played and actually I think all of the monsters I created/modified (as PDFs) but... I want that lovely online rules encyclopedia and so on.

I guess 5E will eventually see the same fate with Beyond and stuff, but I suspect it'll last a long time after any 6E.
It's really not as bad as you think, without DDI. We played a lot without it, and it's an adjustment, but not that bad. I've wanted to play Madness at Gardmore Abbey. I think it would go well on Roll20, even without the DDI. Once the players have their PCs entered into the Roll20 character sheet, there isn't much they'd need outside of their power descriptions, and there are online resources for those. And the DM will have the adventure in-hand, and the maps to upload can be found. In fact that same guy uploaded Assault On Nightwyrm Fortress Encounter Maps.
 

Eyes of Nine

Everything's Fine
It's really not as bad as you think, without DDI. We played a lot without it, and it's an adjustment, but not that bad. I've wanted to play Madness at Gardmore Abbey. I think it would go well on Roll20, even without the DDI. Once the players have their PCs entered into the Roll20 character sheet, there isn't much they'd need outside of their power descriptions, and there are online resources for those. And the DM will have the adventure in-hand, and the maps to upload can be found. In fact that same guy uploaded Assault On Nightwyrm Fortress Encounter Maps.
Hey, I was feeling same as @Ruin Explorer ; but you have given me hope that maybe R20 or FG supports 4e?
 




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