Jorath Calar
Explorer
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An Open Letter to Dragon and Dungeon Readers
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MrZoink
First Post
Ugh.
I'm glad my subscription to Dragon is ending in July.
I know that changes always make people nervous, but seriously, these guys are "drinking the koolaid" about the minis line stuff.
If it turns out that it's a small (or hopefully non-existant) part of the mag, and as long as the crpg stuff doesn't get out of hand (2-4 pages tops per issue sounds reasonable), I'll re-up.
If they are somehow given equal coverage, I won't see enough value in it.
Then again, we'll probably just have to wait a year or so for another editor to blow into the mag with a new plan and it'll all change again.
I see it already: The New New Dragon - focusing on what you're really buying this mag for.
Dungeon: Hey, that's where the content displaced by all the mini and crpg stuff ended up.
Seems what they are really doing is splitting the 1 magazine I want to read into 2 mags.
Wil Wheaton: Cool. (Don't let him single-handedly save the issue every month. Wait, yeah, do let him do that. Somebody's gonna need to do it.) Just kidding, I like Wil.
I'm glad my subscription to Dragon is ending in July.
I know that changes always make people nervous, but seriously, these guys are "drinking the koolaid" about the minis line stuff.
If it turns out that it's a small (or hopefully non-existant) part of the mag, and as long as the crpg stuff doesn't get out of hand (2-4 pages tops per issue sounds reasonable), I'll re-up.
If they are somehow given equal coverage, I won't see enough value in it.
Then again, we'll probably just have to wait a year or so for another editor to blow into the mag with a new plan and it'll all change again.
I see it already: The New New Dragon - focusing on what you're really buying this mag for.
Dungeon: Hey, that's where the content displaced by all the mini and crpg stuff ended up.
Seems what they are really doing is splitting the 1 magazine I want to read into 2 mags.
Wil Wheaton: Cool. (Don't let him single-handedly save the issue every month. Wait, yeah, do let him do that. Somebody's gonna need to do it.) Just kidding, I like Wil.
Ranger REG
Explorer
Wizards' Periodical put out Star Wars Gamer magazine that focuses mainly on RPG but also computer games by LucasArts (Star Wars or not). When WotC put out their Star Wars TCG, the magazine devoted space for that one. It didn't do well due to low sale (the resentment against Star Wars d20 was high), limited distribution (US and Canada, but not worldwide), and complaints that it should be 100% RPG support.Emirikol said:
Star Wars Insider is a "fan club" magazine that focus on anything related to Star Wars but not gaming. Paizo is no longer responsible for the circulation. It was licensed to another publisher. I don't know if that publisher is obligated to support Star Wars RPG.
Acid_crash
First Post
Erik Mona said:He's a good writer, a funny guy, and a gamer. And his column is going to take up one page.
Oh, and he was on Star Trek.
--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dungeon Magazine
Uh, yeah, right...and that's supposed to be a good reason. Saying he was in Toy Soldiers, that's a cool reason, but Star Trek...he was just a lucky kid who got a lucky break, that's all. At least in Toy Soldiers he did something that we could appreciate him for. He died.
I will congratulate on at least keeping Polyhedron around for three years. That was longer than WotC kept Alternity around for.
It's all about the greed, nothing more and nothing else.
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Thumbs... neutral
On Dragon
Pfft. Who cares?
I stopped subscribing to Dragon Magazine more than a year ago. The new classes (several per issue), feats, races, and so on ad nauseum - along with stupid Forgotten Realms junk (junk that's not only useless, it's stupid), predictable stories, and six-month-long countdowns to the next big Wizards product - were more than I could tolerate. Sayonara, Dragon, and these changes just underscore my decision.
On Dungeon
I have been happy with Dungeon as it is. Then again, I liked Polyhedron...
On Polyhedron
I only resubscribed to Dungeon this year after a wonderful customer service experience and because Polyhedron was included. I never use the adventures, rarely read more than the summary, and have not used a Critical Threat. Polyhedron, on the other hand, is read from cover to cover, every word. It's interesting.
Dungeon sans Polyhedron will have one issue to impress me. Even then, the moment I detect more suck than good I'm out. Perhaps Wil Wheaton will keep me on board, and the Dungeoncraft articles shifting here might lend a hand in terms of retention. But they better be freakin' gold to the experienced DM, or I go with Polyhedron.
On Wil Wheaton
The guy was jacked by unfriendly script writers and directors. He's a good man, the best man I've ever gotten to "know" by his web log. It's not the whining self-aggrandizement you find from most other blogs, including/especially those written by people in the game industry. Wil, I hope they publish your best the first time out... otherwise I'll find another way to read your columns without wasting my money on Dungeon.
- Ketjak,
Breaking his vow never to post again to protest this change to Dungeon.
On Dragon
Pfft. Who cares?
I stopped subscribing to Dragon Magazine more than a year ago. The new classes (several per issue), feats, races, and so on ad nauseum - along with stupid Forgotten Realms junk (junk that's not only useless, it's stupid), predictable stories, and six-month-long countdowns to the next big Wizards product - were more than I could tolerate. Sayonara, Dragon, and these changes just underscore my decision.
On Dungeon
I have been happy with Dungeon as it is. Then again, I liked Polyhedron...
On Polyhedron
I only resubscribed to Dungeon this year after a wonderful customer service experience and because Polyhedron was included. I never use the adventures, rarely read more than the summary, and have not used a Critical Threat. Polyhedron, on the other hand, is read from cover to cover, every word. It's interesting.
Dungeon sans Polyhedron will have one issue to impress me. Even then, the moment I detect more suck than good I'm out. Perhaps Wil Wheaton will keep me on board, and the Dungeoncraft articles shifting here might lend a hand in terms of retention. But they better be freakin' gold to the experienced DM, or I go with Polyhedron.
On Wil Wheaton
The guy was jacked by unfriendly script writers and directors. He's a good man, the best man I've ever gotten to "know" by his web log. It's not the whining self-aggrandizement you find from most other blogs, including/especially those written by people in the game industry. Wil, I hope they publish your best the first time out... otherwise I'll find another way to read your columns without wasting my money on Dungeon.
- Ketjak,
Breaking his vow never to post again to protest this change to Dungeon.
Connorsrpg
Adventurer
Thanks again Matt, Erik and Keith,
Unfortunatley this thread has bogged down in complaints. Some being false statements such as no more fluff and the take over of computer gaming. Read back carefully over the statements by the above guys before writing your doom.
The direction of each mag sounds great. Poly was a good read most of the time, but Dungeon was initially for adventures and with few exceptions fantasy ones at that. So it is returning, with even more info for the DM...how cool is that for dnd DMs who don't have the time to produce adventures and don't have the money to buy something that is only half this.
It justs sounds odd that most posters here prefer/use one or the other (Poly or adventures in Dungeon). So the changes should be good for all. No longer do people have to shell out for adventures they are never going to read/use or "don't like" and no longer do those of us who want adventures have to shell out for interesting ideas that will never be used.
Rather than blame the editors/the magazine/Paizo etc start something from this. There is obviously enough support for Poly - now you can do it without paying for the parts you don't like. Start your own 'Poly'. I see that Morrus already has a post on the mini-games. That could steamroll from there into something this thread helped to create.
I just can't see the bad in splitting two (often unrelated) things. Sure Paizo will no longer do mini-games (in Dungeon) but now there is a chance for it to live elsewhere...and for those of us to buy adventures and material for the game that began it all and has brought you DUNGEONS & DRAGONS for all of those years (without minigames).
None of us will now have to pay for the parts we don't like...
Connors
Unfortunatley this thread has bogged down in complaints. Some being false statements such as no more fluff and the take over of computer gaming. Read back carefully over the statements by the above guys before writing your doom.
The direction of each mag sounds great. Poly was a good read most of the time, but Dungeon was initially for adventures and with few exceptions fantasy ones at that. So it is returning, with even more info for the DM...how cool is that for dnd DMs who don't have the time to produce adventures and don't have the money to buy something that is only half this.
It justs sounds odd that most posters here prefer/use one or the other (Poly or adventures in Dungeon). So the changes should be good for all. No longer do people have to shell out for adventures they are never going to read/use or "don't like" and no longer do those of us who want adventures have to shell out for interesting ideas that will never be used.
Rather than blame the editors/the magazine/Paizo etc start something from this. There is obviously enough support for Poly - now you can do it without paying for the parts you don't like. Start your own 'Poly'. I see that Morrus already has a post on the mini-games. That could steamroll from there into something this thread helped to create.
I just can't see the bad in splitting two (often unrelated) things. Sure Paizo will no longer do mini-games (in Dungeon) but now there is a chance for it to live elsewhere...and for those of us to buy adventures and material for the game that began it all and has brought you DUNGEONS & DRAGONS for all of those years (without minigames).
None of us will now have to pay for the parts we don't like...
Connors
MrFilthyIke
First Post
You'd think this thread was about sex or religion, sheesh!
I feel truly sad for the folks at Paizo. Like WotC, anything they do is put under a microscope, torn to shreds, and belittled...even before it is seen.
It could end up sucking, but at least judge it after you've read it. We know everyone hear has an opinion, I just wish for once these opinions had some merit and worth.
Here's to hoping the "new direction" works out, I'll be picking it up, and judging for myself.
I feel truly sad for the folks at Paizo. Like WotC, anything they do is put under a microscope, torn to shreds, and belittled...even before it is seen.
It could end up sucking, but at least judge it after you've read it. We know everyone hear has an opinion, I just wish for once these opinions had some merit and worth.
Here's to hoping the "new direction" works out, I'll be picking it up, and judging for myself.
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