Angel [10-22-03] (Spoilers, of course)

[dravot]

One question: why are the walls in the laboratory's shower made of glass? Do the other scientists like to hang out and watch each other shower?

Daniel

Dunno, but I'd like a job there.

I found the episode long on style, short on substance, and therefor somewhat of a disappointment.

 

[KnowTheToe]

Are we sure hell is not still coming for Spike?

 

[Henry]

Lightphoenix,

We'll have to disagree. It seems everything you hated, I liked. The part I didn't like, was more of James Marsters Pasty White buttocks (no offense to Kahuna Burger).

But I kind of prefer Spike as a ghost, truthfully - it's a new lesson in humility for him, and I think he recognizes this. I particularly enjoyed the interaction between Fred and Angel at the budget meeting - I think he was immediately reminded of the old Cordelia when she told him "because it's about helping people" - and that's what broke him down.

And a hearty round of, "stuff and nonsense" to the notion that Fred ain't hot. I never would have thought her so in her first appearances, but last season and this season has really changed my mind on this. And I don't in any way think Spike is falling for her - as she noted, he was trying to play her like a cheap fiddle in order to get her working on a solution for him. He's impressed by her, but he's not in any sense falling for her.

Are we sure hell is not still coming for Spike?

Reasonably sure - at least, no faster than it normally is, as Angel noted. Hell was actually coming for DeVayne (I think his name was) - but Spike is the Lord of the W&H spectral roost, now, and if Hell were still hungry for him right this minute, He'd have mentioned it. He now has enough undivided will strength to affect material objects, now, and that says a lot.

 

[Seule]

Disclosure: I haven't seen all that much Angel, although I live with rabid fans, so I have a fair idea what's going on. I did see this episode.

I liked it quite a bit. I was disappointed when my prediction that

Spoiler

Reaper would be Jack the Ripper

was wrong, but it was a good episode for all that. It had been foreshadowed for a while, and set up what looks to be Spike's role on the show well.

Spoiler

It looks like Hell really is coming for Spike, just not with any great urgency. After all, if other ghosts can hang around for hundreds of years, surely he can last the length of the series?

As far as I can tell, they are trying to do something with Angel, perhaps he'll date Eve to punish/test himself. In any case, the character needs something to galvanize him, currently he seems stagnant, not good in the title character.
Oh, and Fred is hot.

--Seule

 

[Pielorinho]

Oh, and Fred is hot.

Yeah she is! To the extent that my wife was all that it was Spike's pasty white buttocks they half-flashed on the screen. Give me a cute hot smart woman any day of the week over a chiseled con artist like Spike.

Daniel

 

[shilsen]

I was disappointed when my prediction that

Spoiler

Reaper would be Jack the Ripper

was wrong...

--Seule

Me too. Knives, body parts strewn around women's bodies, a mass murderer who was never caught - I wonder if they threw the red herrings in on purpose.

 

[Jeremy]

I particularly liked Spike's sometimes convincing sometimes not attempts at flippancy while the show was honestly trying to scare the viewer.

The line about a vampire ghost not being afraid of the dark had a great feel to it.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Disclosure: I haven't seen all that much Angel, although I live with rabid fans, so I have a fair idea what's going on. I did see this episode.

I liked it quite a bit. I was disappointed when my prediction that

Spoiler

Reaper would be Jack the Ripper

was wrong, but it was a good episode for all that.

Does it seem like Reaper should have come up more than once in a book of evil?

None of them figured it was Death?

Otherwise, figured it was good enough.

 

[Crothian]

I enjoyed the episode. It developed Spike to the other Characters possible showing Angel at least that Spike isn't evil anymore. I was a good way for Spike to learn to effect the world (although very similiar to Ghost in that respect). Reaper was an interesting bad guy and sure he's stowed away in the basement, but we could still see him again.

 

[LightPhoenix]

Well, I think a lot of my dislike for this episode stems from the fact that, at least to me, someone who has barely watched Buffy at all (only enough to know Xander was my fav, Willow was hot), that Spike is completely throwing off the group dynamic that they had built up. No, let me rephrase that. The writers can't seem to compensate for Spike's inclusion in the group. I really don't hate Spike as a character at all... I just dislike how so far it seems he's dominating the show.

The episode was nothing special... the only part I did like was Angel and Spike talking on the couch. Other than that, it's the standard "baddie comes for one, all fight it off". I think it would have been better if Gunn and Wesley's hesitance was more pronounced instead of just a throwaway scene. I think Angel, if he really objected, should have fought Fred more, perhaps at Eve's insistence. It just seemed to me like all of the discomfort and dislike about Spike being around was gone simply because Fred said so. Fred's just no replacement for Cordelia, so why bother forcing her into that role?

As for Fred... personal taste. Personally, I think her eyes are too big, and she's way to waif-ish. I think if she put on a little more weight I'd think she was cuter. The eyes are really the damning points for me though. Again though, personal taste. Random thought: Wesley mentions her not eating... maybe they're making her look more gaunt because of this? Hopefully... I cheered when Wesley told her to eat.

Gee, do I not like Fred much?