Angel 3/3/4 (Spoilers)

[buzzard]

OK this was the first episode I've watched of this. It was decent enough that I may continue watching. However I'd like to have a bit of background. Like who's the guy with the green face and horns? The rest I could piece together to some degree but that guy didn't make much sense.

buzzard

 

[Vocenoctum]

I also think the reift between the Scoobies and Angel is an interesting point - it's quite clear that as long as Angel controls W&H, he is dead to the Scoobies. It's kinda sad to see, but in a way I don't blame them. The team knows they've changed - the question is when are they giving it up? If they actually do?

The rift still makes no sense to me, feels tacked on to drive home the point that they can't win at W&H, but it's too heavy handed. If they really regard Angel as evil for being there, they should do something about it. Otherwise, Angel DID help them destroy the First, and they should at least give him the benefit of the doubt and hear out that an Ancient Time Controlling Demon has been freed, and they need help to stop it.

 

[Vocenoctum]

OK this was the first episode I've watched of this. It was decent enough that I may continue watching. However I'd like to have a bit of background. Like who's the guy with the green face and horns? The rest I could piece together to some degree but that guy didn't make much sense.

buzzard

He's an empathic demon that can read folks when they sing.

 

[Henry]

Like who's the guy with the green face and horns?

Lorne's a colorful character.

Lorne, a.k.a. Krevlorn Swath of the DeathWalk Clan, is a Pylean (a demon whose home is the dimension Pylea). His people knew nothing of song, and he grew up lacking something unknown to him, but he knew was missing. He came to Earth after escaping Pylea, started a bar called Karitas, and made it a neutral ground for LA's demons. Angel's group had an accidental hand in destroying Karitas - TWICE - and he now works for them.

Lorne's a "Hollywood Type," through and through, and it made him a natural Public Relations man - er, demon. He's a real gentle soul, talks like a sweet-talking producer, and can read people's souls AND their futures, when he hears them sing.

Last episode, we got to see him pissed off; he can be downright nasty when someone he loves is dying. He had a special connection to Fred, because she spent 5 years trapped in Pylea, and she and he have a lot of shared experience of "Home".

Hope that helps a little.

 

[John Crichton]

The rift still makes no sense to me, feels tacked on to drive home the point that they can't win at W&H, but it's too heavy handed. If they really regard Angel as evil for being there, they should do something about it. Otherwise, Angel DID help them destroy the First, and they should at least give him the benefit of the doubt and hear out that an Ancient Time Controlling Demon has been freed, and they need help to stop it.

If they thought Angel was evil for being there they would do something about it. Basically they think he is making a bad choice and letting him work through it. I think it is a great twist and it makes perfect sense within the framework of the (Buffy) Scoobs mindset. They won't get in the way but they won't help either.

 

[John Crichton]

Okay folks, this was good stuff. I won't rehash the cool parts because most of you have done that already. I will say this: There are many scattered storylines that still have to merge together in the last 6 episodes. We have the robot ninjas who invaded W&H. We have the Lindsey story unresolved - you just know that one is coming back. The Shanshu. Spike being there at all. Illyria - now joining the Fang Gang? Add in the mystery of the senior partners (which is where the season has seemed to be heading all along, really) and their interest, from the beginning of the show, starting with the first ep, in Angel we got the makings. This is gonna be fuuuuun.

I'm pissed that the show is over in 6 eps but it has been a great ride. Best to go off on a high note. Let Joss concentrate on Firefly and the next (Buffyverse?!?) TV project. I can wait for Whedon...

 

[Jeremy]

Lotta things I liked about this episode. But the Illyria being shown as one of the gang while people were mulling over what had happened during a speechless music peace felt wrong. I can't empathize with her yet.

I kinda resent that I have to add a yet to the end of that statement.

But there were plenty of things I liked and enough good lines to see me through. And the gamer (er, other kind of gamer) never tires of seeing someone as cool looking as Wes drawing twin pistols in slow motion.

Yeah, I'm an easy audience.

 

[ConnorSB]

You know, i was actually hoping that they NEVER MENTION the cyborgs again. Just leave it hanging and unwrapped... just for kicks. You know why? That way Angel will end with some sort of unanswered thing.

Like the Russian from season one of The Sopranos. They beat up this russian guy, and dragged him out into the woods, except that he was still alive, and the episode ended with him wandering off. It seemed like they were gonna pick up with him again at some point, that he was gonna be a "returning face".... but he hasn't yet.

I gotta say- I watched both tonight's ep. of angel, as well as the reruns they have on TNT. And Wes has CHANGED. He started the show as a really awkward, really scared, really scrawny bookworm (with a penchant for guns), and... look at him now. Bitter and strong and angry and awsome. And the strange thing is... I never noticed the transition.

Although his life must be sucking right now. His once-apprenticed slayer Faith? Totally estranged, along with everyone he knew from Buffy. Cordilia? Dead. Lillah? Dead. Fred? Dead. His best friend (who he once took a bullet for)? Wes stabbed him and now he is apparently fired. Oh, and his father? Fine, but Wes did shoot his father's cyborg double. Thats.... he's got some depression problems he's gonna need to work out.

 

[Sollir Furryfoot]

Speaking of plot arcs coming to a close,

Has there ever been resolution to the Conner prophecy last season where a time demon is out to kill him? (Does anyone remember this) If not, Ilyaria, being able to control time-does s/he sound like the person in said prophecy?

Just a theory.

 

[ToddSchumacher]

I would defenatly count on some of the plotline as being left open. I'd like that. The world isn't so nice and tidy and it also leaves things open for other media (new shows, comics, movies ect...)