Angel 3/3/4 (Spoilers)

[Green Knight]

His people knew nothing of song

But they know of dancing, God help us.

Anyway, it was a great ep. Personally, I thought that ending was fantastic and was a great twist. I mean, really, how often do you see a Big Bad show up getting ready to tear up the planet, but instead they find out that their Evil Army of Doom (TM) is long gone. So instead they join up with the heroes. I know I've never seen that happen. I was pretty damned shocked to see that. So anyone got any idea about what happened to her statue and her army? I'm guessing Wolfram & Hart happened to it.

Besides, I'd rather Illyria NOT be the villain in the finale. It's damned time we find out what the deal is with the Senior Partners. The only hint we've ever had of them, other then those three Pylean books from season 2, has been in this episode. Illyria clearly knows them, and they're most assuredly three separate creatures. And at some point, they weren't much more impressive then vampires, but apparently over the past couple million years that's changed. So it'd be nice to finally find out once and for all what the deal is with the Senior Partners, and what their plan is.

 

[Hand of Evil]

Fred in tight leather outfit and blue hair, mmmmmm anime.

Wes being bad bad bad man.

I thought it was a very good show.

I just wonder if Wes will become the lover of a demon. I can not help but compare the new Fred to Lyala, in many ways the only type of woman Wes can have a relationship to.

I also wonder if Wolferman and Hart are not the ones behind the destruction the true form and we are seeing the chessboard arranged for the final battle. The wrench is that the new Fred joins with team Angel.

 

[John Crichton]

Speaking of plot arcs coming to a close,

Has there ever been resolution to the Conner prophecy last season where a time demon is out to kill him? (Does anyone remember this) If not, Ilyaria, being able to control time-does s/he sound like the person in said prophecy?

Just a theory.

That was actually from Season 3. And yes, the time demon was killed and that plot-line was wrapped up. It set the stage for many things happening now.

 

[drothgery]

But they know of dancing, God help us.

Anyway, it was a great ep. Personally, I thought that ending was fantastic and was a great twist. I mean, really, how often do you see a Big Bad show up getting ready to tear up the planet, but instead they find out that their Evil Army of Doom (TM) is long gone. So instead they join up with the heroes. I know I've never seen that happen. I was pretty damned shocked to see that. So anyone got any idea about what happened to her statue and her army? I'm guessing Wolfram & Hart happened to it.

Did anyone else think the Evil Army of Doom's burned-out HQ looked a lot like the place where Buffy, Spike, Willow, and the Slayerettes thrashed The First's army? Just asking, because it seems perfectly reasonable that The First snatched someone else's army; she couldn't directly interact with the world until some point in the Buffy continuity.

 

[John Crichton]

Did anyone else think the Evil Army of Doom's burned-out HQ looked a lot like the place where Buffy, Spike, Willow, and the Slayerettes thrashed The First's army? Just asking, because it seems perfectly reasonable that The First snatched someone else's army; she couldn't directly interact with the world until some point in the Buffy continuity.

It may have looked a little like it but the Hellmouth in Sunnydale was destroyed and is now a huge crater. Besides, I couldn't see her army being uber-vamps, just doesn't seem like her style.

 

[Hand of Evil]

Although his life must be sucking right now. His once-apprenticed slayer Faith? Totally estranged, along with everyone he knew from Buffy. Cordilia? Dead. Lillah? Dead. Fred? Dead. His best friend (who he once took a bullet for)? Wes stabbed him and now he is apparently fired. Oh, and his father? Fine, but Wes did shoot his father's cyborg double. Thats.... he's got some depression problems he's gonna need to work out.

Wes (to me) if he went evil, would scare evil. His code, logic, his knowledge, past, all combine to make him dangerous. I want to say he is unstable but it is hard to see, he reminds me of Hannibal (Silence of the Lamb).

 

[Pielorinho]

I liked it pretty well. Someone suggested on another board that Illyria isn't really evil. Imagine how Angel would react if he woke up a million years from now and discovered that demons had taken over the earth, that humans were all magically imprisoned, and that he had a secret anti-demon weapon hidden away in a prison somewhere? Don'tcha think he might do exactly what Illyria is doing now? Wouldn't he say basically the same things about the stench of demons that Illyria said about the stench of humans? She's just a powerful general on the losing side of a war.

Daniel

 

[allenw]

That was actually from Season 3. And yes, the time demon was killed and that plot-line was wrapped up. It set the stage for many things happening now.

Ah, but Sahjan (sp?) *wasn't* killed, he was just imprisoned.
As eventually revealed, the plotline was:
- In the past, Sahjan finds a prophecy that Connor's going to kill him (him specifically, by name, so Illyria's not part of that prophecy);
- Sahjan changes the text of the prophecy so that it seems to imply that Angel will kill Connor;
- Wesley, spurred on by the false prophecy, kidnaps the infant Connor, resulting in the child being raised by Holtz in a demon dimension.
- Teen Connor returns to L.A. and much wackiness ensures , including Sahjan being trapped in a big jar. As far as we know, though, he's still there, so the original prophecy hasn't yet come to pass.

 

[myrdden]

Great episode...and another reason why I'm annoyed that the series is ending. Booo WB!

 

[Truth Seeker]

The Price...

I can't add to what has been said here already.

But this...there was a price in all of this...dealing with the firm, and its secrets, dealing with those who have plans on the firm.

The payment of it...is now...due. And blast it all...it is good to see the effects of it...I was wondering for a while, when and if, the black blade would start swinging on these guys...and it has.

But there was a bigger one...network exces...cancelling the show.

And they too will pay...when Smallville ends(of their season run)...WB will not have me as a viewer.

Yes...WB...the blade swings both ways.