Angel 3/3/4 (Spoilers)

[Green Knight]

My original point is still valid - that plotline was wrapped up and served its purpose. It could be brought up again but you can say that about any plotline/villain/character in the series.

Actually...

Spoiler

Zajhan or whatever the hell his name is will be coming back, as you say. But that plotline hasn't been wrapped up, because it'll be wrapped up in his return episode. In that ep, Angel has to make a deal with someone (I forgot what) and in return he has to kill Zajhan. Only problem is, according to prophecy only Connor can do it. And if he doesn't get Zajhan killed, then the person who wants him dead will make Connor remember his own life. Which I guess brings us to Angel's problem, which is "How to get Connor to kill Zajhan without having to tell Connor the truth". As it's pretty obvious, Connor will be in the episode, too.

Actually, we have seen one of the Senior Parnters. It was in Season 2 Episode 15 "Reprise (pt 1)." Wolfram and Hart were having there 75th year review, or something like that, and a senior partner was making a personal visit. Angel kills him using a mystical glove. So we have seena senior partner, but perhaps we will see the wolf, the ram, and the hart.

That wasn't a Senior Partner. It was a Kleynach demon who had a ring which Angel needed to get to the Home Office, where the Senior Partners were.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Did anyone else think the Evil Army of Doom's burned-out HQ looked a lot like the place where Buffy, Spike, Willow, and the Slayerettes thrashed The First's army? Just asking, because it seems perfectly reasonable that The First snatched someone else's army; she couldn't directly interact with the world until some point in the Buffy continuity.

It didn't look like it at all to me. The UberVamp Hell was more of a chasm IIRC.

Also, I just figured an earthquake wiped out her army. It is LA afterall.

 

[Wolf72]

Wow. I wasn't expecting it to end as it did. This definitely felt like a big transition episode. Great stuff. I wonder what we have to look forward to next (other than a month or two of reruns ).

just watched the tape of it ... friggin awesome episode!

"Weren't you listening!" [oops ... were you even listening!]

wasn't expecting an old one to say, "well poop, what the heck do I do now!" I think ... well heck, I'm not sure what to think, except that I want to see the rest of the episodes ... now.

okay time to read what y'all just wrote n stuff.

 

[John Crichton]

Actually...

Spoiler

Zajhan or whatever the hell his name is will be coming back, as you say. But that plotline hasn't been wrapped up, because it'll be wrapped up in his return episode. In that ep, Angel has to make a deal with someone (I forgot what) and in return he has to kill Zajhan. Only problem is, according to prophecy only Connor can do it. And if he doesn't get Zajhan killed, then the person who wants him dead will make Connor remember his own life. Which I guess brings us to Angel's problem, which is "How to get Connor to kill Zajhan without having to tell Connor the truth". As it's pretty obvious, Connor will be in the episode, too.

Doh!

Spoiler

I actually didn't know anything about the plot, just the guest appearance. That'll teach me to start a conversation like this. Oh well. It will be interesting to see it play out, tho.

 

[LightPhoenix]

I dunno. Joss said in public months ago--well before the cancellation announcement--that he was setting up the ending of this season to be either a season ender or a series ender, since he didn't know if they'd be picked up or not. Since I don't see any reason for him to lie about that, I doubt they had to do much more than tweak their current plans when they found out that the idots at WB had axed them.

I'm sure that the end will work as a series-ender. However, "series-ender" doesn't mean that it will tie up loose ends at all. Look at Farscape - the last episode actually works really well for a series-ender, when you think about it. That doesn't mean it tied up all of the little plot-hooks that were left behind. I think the same thing about Angel. Major plot points will be addressed and wrapped up, but minor ones probably won't be. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Joss threw some plot hooks in anyway, based on the fact that there was a chance the show would have been picked up again.

 

[Hand of Evil]

One thing that I don't know is How and Why the gang came to be in charge of Wolfram & Hart? Anyone care to explain?

Thanks

Wolfram and Hart were offered to them after they defeated Cordy's demon baby.

Most think it was a plot by Wolfram and Hart to corrupt them with power. While this may be true I think Wolfram & Hart took them in for protection, they found a champion and have arranged it so the group is in the middle. It all comes down to a few questions:

Question: What does Wolfram & Hart want? Answer: Their Apocalypse (key word their).
Question: What is Wolfram & Hart afraid of? Answer: An Apocalypse of someone elses creation.

The New Fred was once a very powerful demon, now has found her pocket plane destoyed while she slept. She knows of Wolfram & Hart as a low level demon not much better than vampires. I think Wolfram & Hart took her power and knew she was coming back and hope team Angel could protect them!

 

[Henry]

Karitas was destryoed three times. The first when Angel and Co. came back through the portal from Karitas. The second was when Gunn's old Gang came in and shot the place up in Season three, and later in Season 3, Holtz drops an explosive barrel down into Karitas, destroying it a thrid time.

I didn't count the first one, since that was more of a "scuffing up". The second two, the gang trashed the place, plus they had to drop the enchantment to fight back, and in the third one Holtz was just a rat bastard. Creative RB, though...

 

[CCamfield]

I'm sure that the end will work as a series-ender. However, "series-ender" doesn't mean that it will tie up loose ends at all. Look at Farscape - the last episode actually works really well for a series-ender, when you think about it. That doesn't mean it tied up all of the little plot-hooks that were left behind.

I have to disagree with you. And then underline my reply and set it in bold, in 20-foot-high blazing letters of fire. Call me a sap, but John and Aeryn deserved better than that.

When Fred died I was shocked but I was also impressed by Joss' writing and the daring. And I've always been impressed by the screwing around that Farscape's writers could do to the main characters. But... I really do want a happy ending for the characters of Farscape.

 

[LightPhoenix]

I have to disagree with you. And then underline my reply and set it in bold, in 20-foot-high blazing letters of fire. Call me a sap, but John and Aeryn deserved better than that.

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But... I really do want a happy ending for the characters of Farscape.

Admittedly, it's not the ending I'd prefer either, but it makes perfect, logical and emotional sense, given Farscape. John and Aeryn were always interrupted by something going wrong, be it clones or fatal injuries or what have you. Their relationship isn't a happy one, it's a tragic one. Which is why the relationship needs to end in tragedy. They finally have their moment together, and they're "killed". It's the only way that the series could end that would do justice to the material that had come before.

 

[Vocenoctum]

When Fred died I was shocked but I was also impressed by Joss' writing and the daring.

After more thought, I've decided I like Illyria better than Fred, but I still think having Wes & Fred get togethor was wrong. It was done purely for shock value, and wasn't needed. If they hadn't hooked up, Wes still would have been at her side, nothing would have changed.