Angel Finale

[Cthulhudrew]

As for the battle, Gunn knew he had minutes to live from Illyria's statement. Angels words to Gunn were a very fitting cap to the series "Then make those minutes count." (The dragon line was priceless.)

I think he's still got some wiggle room, after all, Illyria's statement was "You're fading. You'll last ten minutes." She didn't explicitly say he'd die in ten minutes, and she's not one to pull punches or make understatements (she told Wesley his wound was mortal). The implication is certainly (along with his injuries) that he had only ten minutes to live, but it could also be taken as "you're going to be passed out from exhaustion and pain in ten minutes, and you'll be no good in a fight at that point". I figure Gun will show up again.

 

[Ao the Overkitty]

And Xander? Didn't Andrew say something about him being in South America? I can't remember exactly where, but he was mentioned.

In the psycho slayer episode, while Spike and Andrew are patroling, Andrew says Xander is in Africa. Willow & Kennedy were in South America (specifically Brazil, Rio).

 

[LightPhoenix]

It sounds to me like apples and oranges for what they have both done concerning TV to this point.

Fair enough?

No, no fair!!!

Actually, I would agree. JMS and Whedon have vastly different styles of writing, but I consider them two of the best, if not the two best sci-fi/fantasy writers to have been on television. The comparison was such as to draw parallel between them after their career-defining universes, not to compare one's skill to the other.

Comparing the two of them, I see Whedon being where JMS maybe three years ago. Both had a show outside of their career-defining universe flounder (Jeremiah, Firefly). Both have started to work as writers of comic books... a much less studio-intrusive, less restrictive medium. They even strike me as similar personalities based on interviews and quotes from the web... hard-working almost to a fault, very intelligent, a bit more than slightly pretentious, and very thankful towards fans.

 

[LightPhoenix]

In regards to Lindsey's death, Angel did plan it. After all, after he and Connor kill Hamilton, he tells Eve that "Lindsey's not coming for you," or something along those lines. He couldn't know Lindsey's fate at that point unless he asked Lorne to kill him.

Also, as to who survived? Lorne. Actually, with his line of "you'll never see me again, so don't look," I'm wondering if Lorne killed Lindsey, wandered off, and then committed suicide. Probably not, but you could easily make a case for it.

 

[Tarrasque Wrangler]

Also, as to who survived? Lorne. Actually, with his line of "you'll never see me again, so don't look," I'm wondering if Lorne killed Lindsey, wandered off, and then committed suicide. Probably not, but you could easily make a case for it.

Remember, though, suicide for his people would not be easy. He'd have to cut off his head, dismember the body and burn it.

My guess is he'll tire of fighting demons and become a judge on American Idol.

 

[Wolv0rine]

Angelsboi should be here for this thread, dammit. :'(

 

[Vocenoctum]

I thought about that too. How do you sign away a prophecy? It's not a contract afterall. I think it was a ruse by the Circle to test Angel's fortitiude and desires one last time. I think it was left ambiguous enough that it could be interpreted either way.

For myself, I can't see him being able to sign over redemption. It does occur to me though, that his believing he did and still fighting probably makes him more worthy of the redemption than before.

 

[Henry]

Angelsboi should be here for this thread, dammit. :'(

Incidentally, not to derail the thread too much, but if you want to check on him, his livejournal is here. He can always use a drop-in, assuming you're not doing so already.

 

[drothgery]

I'd have to agree that your standard-issue demonic horde (which is what this looked like) probably doesn't have anyone that could handle Illyria, or that wouldn't need a lucky shot to kill Angel or Spike. Knocking either of the vamps out of the fight would be quite possible, but they'd get up again, eventually.

Of course, it could be that everyone lived who hadn't died by the end of the show, if a bus full of Slayerettes and/or a platoon of Initiative SUVs was just around the corner -- or even just Connor and electro-girl.

 

[Tarrasque Wrangler]

Holy crap, it just dawned on me...

...we're never going to find out who was behind the cyborg ninjas/fake Wesley's dad!