Another Immortals Handbook thread

[Upper_Krust]

Heya mate!

You know, looking over the weapons, I once again saw a failure to mention durations of many of their abilities. I think this is a problem for you.

Example?

 

[Anabstercorian]

Heya mate!

Read before you post. Thats for the Neutronium Golem. I asked you about the Orichalcum Golem. Now who's silly.

D'oh! Okay, here're the equation you can use to calculate this:

squareroot( mass of critter in kilograms * gravitational constant of 6.673x10^-11 / # of g's desired ) = distance for said g's in meters

And here are the results for a critter with a mass of 22.4 billion pounds (or approximately 10.1 billion kilograms):

100 g's: Touch.
10 g's: About 10 cm.
1 g: 0.5 m.
0.1 g: 2.6 m. (Adjacent on a battlemat)
0.01 g: 8.2 m (about 4 squares away)
0.001 g: 26 m (about 13 squares away)

Example?

Okay, um, there's no 'several' about it. Sorry for implying. It's really just the Light Pillar of Omega Weapon... And to be honest, I REALLY don't think that Level 5 death is appropriate outside of a video game. I mean, really - what does it even MEAN?

 

[Cheiromancer]

Those distances should be from the center of mass of the critter, right? So, assuming it is at least a couple of meters in diameter, you'll get at most 0.1 g when you touch it.

I think that's right. I don't see any reference to the diameter of the object in the formula, so I think it must refer to the center of mass.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

D'oh! Okay, here're the equation you can use to calculate this:

squareroot( mass of critter in kilograms * gravitational constant of 6.673x10^-11 / # of g's desired ) = distance for said g's in meters

And here are the results for a critter with a mass of 22.4 billion pounds (or approximately 10.1 billion kilograms):

100 g's: Touch.
10 g's: About 10 cm.
1 g: 0.5 m.
0.1 g: 2.6 m. (Adjacent on a battlemat)
0.01 g: 8.2 m (about 4 squares away)
0.001 g: 26 m (about 13 squares away)

Okay, thanks. Doesn't appear that it should have any notable effect...and thanks also to Cheiromancer.

Okay, um, there's no 'several' about it. Sorry for implying.

You made it sound like an epidemic!

It's really just the Light Pillar of Omega Weapon...

Ah, okay. I did mention previously that I didn't think Omega was quite finished yet.

And to be honest, I REALLY don't think that Level 5 death is appropriate outside of a video game. I mean, really - what does it even MEAN?

I think its great. To me its perfect for a being indirectly linked to fate such as mother nature and by proxy Omega Weapon. If by 'chance' your HD/Levels happen to be a multiple of 5 then its goodnight from you.

...of course, the more powerful this ability then the lower the multiple...come to think of it Omega should only have a Level 7 Death, but I guess the designers at Squaresoft weren't exactly thinking about balancing Final Fantasy with the Immortals Handbook at the time.

 

[historian]

Hey U_K!

I have a couple of questions/requests:

1. Do you still plan to post Galactus' stats on your homepage? I'm hoping to see them shortly.

2. Thus far, I have understood the stats as presented in the Bestiary as "default official" if you will, that is, a representative average for creatures or the default standard for individuals. Is it possible that certain "alternate universe" versions of the creatures would be far more powerful than the default standard? For instance, "the seraphim in Aeon X are known to be particularly strong?"

Thanks in advance.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K!

Hiya mate!

I have a couple of questions/requests:

Fire away!

1. Do you still plan to post Galactus' stats on your homepage? I'm hoping to see them shortly.

Yes. Sorry about that.You know me and my scatterbrain by now. I say one thing, then I get distracted and forget about them. They are about half finished, I sort of hit a brick wall because I want Galactus to have Psion abilities and I have only passing familiarity to those rules.

Either hes going to be a 200 HD Outsider Old One with 100th-level Psion abilities or a 200th-level Psion Old One.

2. Thus far, I have understood the stats as presented in the Bestiary as "default official" if you will, that is, a representative average for creatures or the default standard for individuals. Is it possible that certain "alternate universe" versions of the creatures would be far more powerful than the default standard? For instance, "the seraphim in Aeon X are known to be particularly strong?"

Well I am not familiar with Aeon X but it sounds interesting?

In an alternate universe 'good' could be winning the war and tipping the cosmic balance in its favour. In such a universe Seraphim could indeed be more powerful. Also there may well be some seraphic time lords, wherein a universe has been completely dominated by good/spirit.

Thanks in advance.

Anytime mate!

 

[historian]

Hey U_K!

Yes. Sorry about that.You know me and my scatterbrain by now. I say one thing, then I get distracted and forget about them. They are about half finished, I sort of hit a brick wall because I want Galactus to have Psion abilities and I have only passing familiarity to those rules.

Either hes going to be a 200 HD Outsider Old One with 100th-level Psion abilities or a 200th-level Psion Old One.

My suggestion would be the former rather than the latter but I wouldn't be disappointed either way. Galactus' psionic abilities seem to be a function of his primordialistic nature rather than the other way around if that makes any sense. "He's" more fundamental than a class and in any event his ability to read minds appears to be his most prominent psionic ability (no matter the language). Another of "his" interesting characteristic is that he appears to any race as a member of that race (to a brood a brood, a human a human, and to a salamander a salamander). I think this underscores his potent originality rather than any psionic trick or class dependency.

Just my 2 cents (not sure of the conversion). In any event, I wouldn't get overly bogged down with min/maxing and feats, but I'm sure it's difficult at higher levels.

Well I am not familiar with Aeon X but it sounds interesting?

Aeon X was made up on the spot with X being any variable you wanted to attach to it. Just an abstract. I could make an interesting scenario though.

In an alternate universe 'good' could be winning the war and tipping the cosmic balance in its favour. In such a universe Seraphim could indeed be more powerful. Also there may well be some seraphic time lords, wherein a universe has been completely dominated by good/spirit.

That is unbelievably cool and seems to fit well within Marvel's Abraxas storyline. I also believe it might offer a more plausible explanation for Thanos' rise to "supremacy" in Marvel's "The End." My preference would be to interpret Thanos' new status in that storyline to "very powerful Aeon" or at least "usurper to the Living Tribunal" as opposed to "Supreme Being."

 

[CRGreathouse]

I would prefer things to be right for the official release. The changes would only take a few hours, the art is the real hold up. I agree simplicity is better, but not in tandem with flawed rules.

With regards the comic book physics, I simply look at it as physics. D&D, as I have shown before, uses a low physical factor for its rules - so it is inherantly comic book already.

Also this could go a touch further to alleviate any discrepancies between warriors and spellcasters at epic levels.

Thanks for your help mate, I guess I am just trying to reason this in my own head.

Well, do as you will, but I still prefer the old way (15) to the new way (10).

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K!

Hiya mate!

My suggestion would be the former rather than the latter but I wouldn't be disappointed either way.

I was leaning towards the former.

Galactus' psionic abilities seem to be a function of his primordialistic nature rather than the other way around if that makes any sense. "He's" more fundamental than a class and in any event his ability to read minds appears to be his most prominent psionic ability (no matter the language).

His power is clearly not mystical in nature, given that he has required the services of Dr. Strange on occasion.

Another of "his" interesting characteristic is that he appears to any race as a member of that race (to a brood a brood, a human a human, and to a salamander a salamander). I think this underscores his potent originality rather than any psionic trick or class dependency.

Of course I have Stormbreaker.

Just my 2 cents (not sure of the conversion).

He converts to 197 HD/Levels, but lets just say hes 200th for simplicity.

...that way also makes it easier to detail the Silver Surfer.

In any event, I wouldn't get overly bogged down with min/maxing and feats, but I'm sure it's difficult at higher levels.

Its not that difficult. It was the Psion thing that threw me off more than the power.

Aeon X was made up on the spot with X being any variable you wanted to attach to it. Just an abstract. I could make an interesting scenario though.

I thought it was some sort of anime show and I was looking forward to watching it. Grrr!

That is unbelievably cool and seems to fit well within Marvel's Abraxas storyline.

I actually don't own that story unfortunately. Always seemed interesting.

I also believe it might offer a more plausible explanation for Thanos' rise to "supremacy" in Marvel's "The End." My preference would be to interpret Thanos' new status in that storyline to "very powerful Aeon" or at least "usurper to the Living Tribunal" as opposed to "Supreme Being."

They never made it clear if he was operating in all universes or not. Although defeating the Living Tribunal suggests that he was, which is then contradicted by Warlocks appearance.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey CRGreathouse mate!

Well, do as you will, but I still prefer the old way (15) to the new way (10).

Well you know I appreciate your opinion mate, but I just don't seem to be able to justify the '15' anymore...and I like things to make sense.