Another Immortals Handbook thread

[Anabstercorian]

Hey CRGreathouse mate!



Well you know I appreciate your opinion mate, but I just don't seem to be able to justify the '15' anymore...and I like things to make sense.

Man, you've got freakin' neutronium golems with gravity wells ! You left sense behind a long time ago!

Just do the math and be done with it... Dude, set a target, HIT the target, or this thing's vaporware.

 

[Pssthpok]

Wh... I must have missed that when I looked over my friend's shoulder!

Neutronium is matter so tightly condensed that is doesn't have any space between the electrons! How does anyone handle that stuff in order to MAKE the golem?

Holy crap.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

Man, you've got freakin' neutronium golems with gravity wells ! You left sense behind a long time ago!

The idea of a Neutronium Golem makes perfect sense given the factors involved.

Just do the math and be done with it... Dude, set a target, HIT the target, or this thing's vaporware.

Theres still definately something I am missing with regards this VSC business. If anything its now looking like it should be +30 strength above averages to duplicate the mass of the next highest VSC, but I am still thinking it should be +15 to duplicate the extra damage of a Virtual Size Category.

On the surface it seems an 8 fold increase in strength (+15) is accompanied by the square root of the strength multiple as a mass increase (approx. x2.82). Boiled down that becomes x2 mass for +10 strength for characters, in contrast to x8 mass for +10 (+15 counting carry cap. modifier) strength for each size increase.

So a human with a natural str 40 would need to weigh (approx.) 1120 lbs. But deal 4d6 with a greatsword for instance. While a monster with strength 40 would weigh 32 tons.

Now human mass increase (paralleling strength) would be because of increased muscle size/density, whereas a monsters mass increase will still have the same proportion of muscle/strength, which of course will now be weaker because of the greater mass to move.

If we make the assumption that any extra energy from the increased mass, of a monster, will be offset by extra speed, of a character, then it seems to me that +1 VSC/+15 strength increase is valid.

Anyway I'll stop thinking out loud now.

I'll sort it out tonight with any luck.

 

[Alzrius]

They never made it clear if he was operating in all universes or not. Although defeating the Living Tribunal suggests that he was, which is then contradicted by Warlocks appearance.

It's not a contradiction. The events of Infinity Abyss made it clear that the totality of the Marvel Universe (including all of its multiple universes, far realities, etc.) are the sphere above the infinity abyss in that vortext. The sphere is anchored from falling into the abyss by the small "satellite" where the being that acts as the anchor lives (currently Atleza).

Thanos's becoming God was, as I see it, becoming God of that sphere, but his power stopped at its limit (presumably anyway; what power he may or may not have had outside of it is speculative. It's also speculative that the previous God fled the sphere when he let Thanos get the HotU). Since Warlock was outside there, he wasn't affected. It's similar to why Hunger couldn't just enter the universe. He mentions it was spherical, and thus he couldn't get there on his own. The gateway Galactus opened thus (from what I'm inferring) reached a different one of those spheres.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Neutronium is matter so tightly condensed that is doesn't have any space between the electrons! How does anyone handle that stuff in order to MAKE the golem?

Heck, it's worse than that... the electrons are pressed so close to the nucleus that they combine with the protons to make neutrons. Neutron stars (and so "neutronium") are really just neutrons pressed tightyl together by their own gravity.

Obviosuly it wouldn't be possible to build something from it, as the gravity just wouldn't be there (unless the thing you were building was a sphere, i.e. a neutron star ).

 

[CRGreathouse]

If we make the assumption that any extra energy from the increased mass, of a monster, will be offset by extra speed, of a character, then it seems to me that +1 VSC/+15 strength increase is valid.

...and this is why I said to just leave it -- otherwise you'll toy with it for ages, and we want our books.

Frankly I'm probably going to use different rules for strength anyway, which will ruin all the careful planning of yours. (I wanted to use the obvious quadratic progression for Str instead of the current power progression.)

 

[Anabstercorian]

Obviosuly it wouldn't be possible to build something from it, as the gravity just wouldn't be there (unless the thing you were building was a sphere, i.e. a neutron star ).

Unless you've got magic! We can make a Dream Golem if we really want - you think GRAVITY will stop us?

 

[CRGreathouse]

Unless you've got magic! We can make a Dream Golem if we really want - you think GRAVITY will stop us?

So the neutronium golem collapses into a sphere if it's in an antimagic field?

 

[historian]

Intereeting stuff.

So the neutronium golem collapses into a sphere if it's in an antimagic field?

Only if it were summoned, but in that case I'm guessing it would only "wink out." Then again (if I'm recalling correctly), it would take an epic level spell to summon one, in which case a quasi dispel check would apply. Moreover, the magic necessary to summon one would likely only originate from an artifact or a being of demi-deity status or higher, in which case the summoning spell (and hence the neutronium golem) wouldn't be affected in the slightest.

They never made it clear if he was operating in all universes or not. Although defeating the Living Tribunal suggests that he was, which is then contradicted by Warlocks appearance.

Perhaps the most linear way to reconile this apparent (but maybe not, see Alzrius) discrepancy is to conclude that HOU Thanos had dominion over several universes but not all. It seems that this interpretation could explain the superiority over LT but not all versions of Warlock.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Only if it were summoned, but in that case I'm guessing it would only "wink out." Then again (if I'm recalling correctly), it would take an epic level spell to summon one, in which case a quasi dispel check would apply. Moreover, the magic necessary to summon one would likely only originate from an artifact or a being of demi-deity status or higher, in which case the summoning spell (and hence the neutronium golem) wouldn't be affected in the slightest.

What does beiong summoned have to do with it? I'm assuming it's physically present (called or just there). The weight of the neutronium golem would collapse itself (if it's large enough) or the neutronium would decay over the course of a minute, mostly into hydrogen, as the unstable neutrons aren't being forced together tightly enough to keep them from reverting into p+e.