Any 3.0 diehards out there?

Raven Crowking said:
The question is not, is 3.5 too expensive. The question is, is 3.5 too expensive for what you are getting? I say yes. Others say no. To each his own. Just don't tell me that's cheap entertainment if I don't think I'm getting anything for my money. :confused:

RC

Hey, you should take into account that I sell this stuff for a living, and I still wouldn't advise anyone to ditch 3.0 for 3.5. Maybe I'm being stupid and I should just hop on board the gravy train, but that isn't why I got into the hobby in the first place.
 

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I'm not exactly a die-hard of 3E, but I do not intend to DM any games in 3.5 any time soon and the one 3.5 game I currently play in used to be 3.0 until the DM converted. I don't plan to join any other 3.5 games if I can help it, as I do prefer 3.0 (and 2E AD&D, for that matter, but I haven't had a chance to play that in years). I don't own any 3.5 books yet, and won't waste money on them unless I intend to convert to 3.5. I'll switch to 3.5 eventually when I can't find anyone to play 3E or 2E with, though, or when I find there are just too many good 3.5 supplements (yeah right) for me to pass them up and be a 2E/3E grognard. :^) Maybe 4th Edition D&D will be out by then though, and maybe it will actually be done right, so I won't have to bother with 3.5E!

Oh, and yeah, I don't feel 3.5 contributes enough new or fixed stuff to be worth the cost of conversion, especially when it hasn't yet revised all the books I already own for 3E (and I certainly ain't payin' that much money again just for minor revisions, I want true fixes and none of the extra junk). Some changes in 3.5, like with weapons and some spells, are just plain pointless change for the sake of change as far as I can tell, and would require me to backwords-revise that stuff to make it fair and sensible like it already was for the most part in 3E. Sure, some of the revisions are good, but not enough of them are. After all, doesn't Complete Warrior re-print the horribly abusive and redundant Frenzied Berserker, amongst other things, like the new and wierd samurai-like classes/PrCs (if they're gonna update bits and pieces of OA, they could at least do a respectable job of it for those of us who use it, yeesh).
 
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Curiosity Prompts Me to Ask....

If you are one of the apparent multitude happily enjoying the half-revision, what three things make it "worth it" for you? I know a lot of very specific complaints. I don't know quite so many specific kudos.

RC
 

I still play 3.0E.

From what I've gathered 3.5E is a little better than 3.0E, but the price for that little improvement would be too large, IMO. Over 90 euros for a little bit .. count me out.

I still have all my 3.0E books fully usable, and I've not had major problems with the ruleset, even after 4 campaigns and 60+ levels (combined) of D&D.
 

Lord Pendragon said:
I believe he was referring to the new rule that all creatures take up a square-space. i.e. a warhorse is no longer 10'x5', it's 10'x10'. And I believe you knew that.

Yes, I was talking about the every creature taking up a square base. Although it makes sense from a pure wargame standpoint, it introduces a lot of problems IMHO. Now many monsters are able to threaten a much wider area. It also introduces a lot of problems when fighting in tight areas, forcing players to resort to the "squeezing" rules.

Liquidsabre said:
I think what I find fascinating are the arguments for sticking to 3.0 for the sake of money. When I bought my 3.0 books in the fall 2000 I shelled out some $60 bucks for the core three. 3 years later the 3.5 revision comes out. That's approximately $20/year....

I don't think that this is a good argument for several reasons. $20 a year for movies, concerts, and other one-time forms of entertainment is cheap, but having to shell out some $90 on a revised version of game you already have is outrageous. Even if the revision improved the game (and in my opinion, it hasn't), I would be reluctant to shell out $90 after less than three years. Besides the economic factor, there is the learning factor. It took me and people I play with a while to really learn the 3.0 rules well. I don't want to have to switch suddenly to a new rule-set and relearn everything. (Since I don't play every week the learning problem is compounded.) Finally, I have several hundred dollars worth of 3.0 material. 3.5e effectively invalidates a large portion of my 3.0 books, despite claims of backwards compatibility. I've tried converting between editions, only to find that it is more work than I imagined. Some things convert easily, but others (such as spellcasting characters) are a real pain to convert and require rebuilding from gound-up.
 

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