D&D 4E Anyone know if KQ is going 4e?

[Psion]

Oh, I'm allowed to, absolutely. But the simple, brutal truth is, I don't want to.

"from a purely personal perspective, I have to say I'm disappointed."

 

[Rechan]

And second, there's been quite limited reader support for it. The 3E fans has been vocal in their support for KQ, and have subscribed in good numbers. The 4E fans .... haven't really spoken up or subscribed.

Vocal =/= Majority.

Also, how are they supposed to subscribe if KQ isn't going to 4e? Isn't that kind've counter productive, subscribing to a magazine not supporting the game you're playing? Or if you're talking about WotRK, I was under the impression you had enough patrons to do the project.

 

[Mouseferatu]

"from a purely personal perspective, I have to say I'm disappointed."

Well, I appreciate that.

But I just find the game so much more enjoyable--to design for and to play--that I just can't see me going back unless (as I said) I find that I have to.

(Or if I'm offered a gig that's just so cool that system becomes irrelevant to my decision. That could happen, I suppose.)

 

[Mouseferatu]

Vocal =/= Majority.

Also, how are they supposed to subscribe if KQ isn't going to 4e? Isn't that kind've counter productive, subscribing to a magazine not supporting the game you're playing?

Yeah, I was wondering that myself. I know that, even though I really liked the issues to date, this is exactly why I let my subscription lapse. Sure, I could always convert, but my gaming budget--while not small --isn't so vast that I can afford, on a regular basis, to buy stuff for a system I'm not using.

I'd love to keep supporting Wolf's Open Design (and I contributed to River King). But I just can't financially justify continuing to subscribe to a non-4E D&D magazine.

 

[Dr. Strangemonkey]

Yes, I'm working up a 4E patron project right now, called Wrath of the River King. That's the only 4E project on my calendar.

I'd be happy to offer 4E content for KQ (any new system needs a lot of support articles), and I'm enjoying designing for the new system.

But there's two reasons to hold off. First, the GSL makes it pretty much impossible to support 4E in Kobold Quarterly under that license. I find this disappointing, but it did make the decision very easy.

And second, there's been quite limited reader support for it. The 3E fans has been vocal in their support for KQ, and have subscribed in good numbers. The 4E fans .... haven't really spoken up or subscribed.

So, I'll be offering limited material useful for 4E in issue #6, without the GSL. I had hoped that the new edition would not split the gaming public, but it seems clear that a large minority of players are sticking with 3E. And many of them are KQ subscribers.

Maybe offer a seperate line that could support 4E? Even if it came out at a less frequent pace thatn KQ I know I would support it.

I was actually dissapointed that I couldn't contribute to the 5 grand kitty back in the early GSL days.

At the least the experience with the Arabian Nights project convinced me that the best way to get the themed adventures I really love is through ransom projects.

A magazine that went through the 'play styles' section of the DMG doing Wuxia one issue with an appropriate rules 'stylesheet', a few short adventures, and awesome art and then did the same thing with Swashbuckling the next could practically demand a tithe of me I would be so enthused.

 

[Psion]

Vocal =/= Majority.

Subscribing = putting money where one's mouth is.

Also, how are they supposed to subscribe if KQ isn't going to 4e? Isn't that kind've counter productive, subscribing to a magazine not supporting the game you're playing? Or if you're talking about WotRK, I was under the impression you had enough patrons to do the project.

If they don't speak up, how is Wolf supposed to know whether there's any money in moving to 4e? It's a shot in the dark. Some old saying about birds in hand with respect to those in the bush applies here.

Aside from which, given the terms of the GSL, I have certain doubts that a GSL KQ would have as much leeway to be as good as it is.

 

[Ginnel]

Well, you are the one who said (if I'm remembering correct) that the thought of running combat made in v.3.5 after playing 4e made you want to throw up, so your answer didn't surprise me at all.

Maybe it'd be better to search the posts and find the link before making comments like that.

Mouseferatu from my reading of threads he has been involved in is one of the most respectful posters on this site, maybe you should take a leaf from his book manners cost nothing.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Subscribing = putting money where one's mouth is.

I really should have jumped onto Baurs "ransom" 4E project... I could have afforded a few €uros.
But to be honest, I have no experience (that I am aware of) with his products, so I reserved some doubts, and add this with procrastination and slow acting on my part...

If they don't speak up, how is Wolf supposed to know whether there's any money in moving to 4e? It's a shot in the dark. Some old saying about birds in hand with respect to those in the bush applies here.

But how will he ever be able to figure out if 4e can make him some money if he doesn't try? Or if nobody tells him he really should? It becomes less a short in the dark if fans tell him "I am lapsing my subscription because the contentl is not useful for me without 4E support" or "I won't subscribe without 4E support". Of course, this might be just "internet forum poll" stuff and ultimately useless in the long run. But how did he know that Kobold Quarterly with 3E support could work, either?

Aside from which, given the terms of the GSL, I have certain doubts that a GSL KQ would have as much leeway to be as good as it is.

I think a second magazine would probably work better. But it might not be required to do so - Individual articles would be under the GSL, not the entire magazine. I am not sure if the GSL allows this, though.

 

[Jack99]

I would definitely buy a 4e magazine by WB. But just as Mustrum_Ridcully, I was slow deciding on the support of his 4e adventure, due to being unfamiliar with the system of patronage that he uses.

 

[Wicht]

Vocal =/= Majority.

Also, how are they supposed to subscribe if KQ isn't going to 4e? Isn't that kind've counter productive, subscribing to a magazine not supporting the game you're playing? Or if you're talking about WotRK, I was under the impression you had enough patrons to do the project.

It seems to me that those who are sticking with 3rd are more likely to be supportive of 3rd party work than those going with 4th. That at least has been my general observation.