D&D 4E Anyone know if KQ is going 4e?

[Caliber]

I would definitely buy a 4e magazine by WB. But just as Mustrum_Ridcully, I was slow deciding on the support of his 4e adventure, due to being unfamiliar with the system of patronage that he uses.

Same here. Really, the patronage thing just perplexs me still. And I'm generally not a perplexable guy.

 

[DaveMage]

It seems to me that those who are sticking with 3rd are more likely to be supportive of 3rd party work than those going with 4th. That at least has been my general observation.

Not sure about that, but I and others staying 3.5 likely have a lot more money to spend on quality 3.5 stuff now than we did before.

Heck, when everyone was 3.5 I was spending the following each month (on average) from the companies I'd buy everything from:

WotC stuff: $80-100/month (includes minis)
Paizo: $20-25
Necromancer Games : $15-20
Goodman Games: $20-30

(Total of $135-175.)

Now since 4E all I have been buying consistently is Paizo stuff ($40-50/month) and selected minis (that work in 3.5) and dungeon tiles from WotC (average of $15-20/month).

 

[Wolfspider]

Maybe it'd be better to search the posts and find the link before making comments like that.

Mouseferatu from my reading of threads he has been involved in is one of the most respectful posters on this site, maybe you should take a leaf from his book manners cost nothing.

I'm in the process of finding the post in question, but I'm not having any luck with the search function. I will post the quote here when I find it.

In any case, I'm surprised he doesn't remember it. I remember it quite clearly and in fact responded to it. He said that after running combat in 4e, the thought of running combat in v3.5 made him physically ill.

I'm sorry if you think what I posted was disrespectful. It certainly wasn't meant to be.

 

[arscott]

Subscribing = putting money where one's mouth is.

If they don't speak up, how is Wolf supposed to know whether there's any money in moving to 4e? It's a shot in the dark. Some old saying about birds in hand with respect to those in the bush applies here.

Aside from which, given the terms of the GSL, I have certain doubts that a GSL KQ would have as much leeway to be as good as it is.

Donating to Wrath of the River King is putting money where my mouth is. Buying a 3e magazine is putting money where someone else's mouth is. That said, Wolfgang's 3e project got funded faster than River King did, so I can hardly fault him for sticking with 3rd edition (and you likewise have a point about the GSL restrictions providing less leeway for designers).

It's worth noting, though, that Kobold quarterly is only a year old, and that folks looking forward to 4e mostly stopped buying 3e stuff last year when it was announced.

Apropos of nothing, my favorite Wolfgang Baur product is neither 3e nor 4e. Dark•Matter is where it's at.

 

[Ginnel]

It seems to me that those who are sticking with 3rd are more likely to be supportive of 3rd party work than those going with 4th. That at least has been my general observation.

possibly because 1st party 3rd edition stuff isn't being produced anymore?

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Apropos of nothing, my favorite Wolfgang Baur product is neither 3e nor 4e. Dark•Matter is where it's at.

Oh, damn, I should have noticed that! Okay, next time a 4E ransom project comes around, I'd better be made aware of it and act faster (at all).

 

[Wicht]

possibly because 1st party 3rd edition stuff isn't being produced anymore?

That is half of it.

On the 4e side, I continue to see many claiming they really don't care about or follow 3rd party companies. Its not a universal sentiment by any means but its still there.

 

[catsclaw227]

I put money into Wrath of the River King, and I have been a patron of all the projects except for the first one. I am also in Tales of Zobek and Blood of the Gorgon, but I will likely be trying to convert to 4e.

I might have to bow out of my KQ subscription though, unless he does some 4e support. It's a shame because it's a good mag, but I just want to put my RPG dollars to 4e stuff or to REALLY good 3.x stuff that I can easily convert. Adventures are best. Class/Monster crunch for 3.x, not so good.

 

[catsclaw227]

Duplicate Post..... [grinding teeth]

 

[Verys Arkon]

I liked KQ too, and am a little disappointed it isn't doing 4e support (at least, right now).

I think part of the problem is that the support "magazines" for 4e, Dragon and Dungeon, are at this point free. It would be difficult to convince people to pay for 3rd Party support while official materials, written by the game's designers, are available at no cost.

When DDI switches to subscription mode, I think it will become much more attractive for a 4e periodical to start up, though likely not by one of the Big 3PP's due to the GSL.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some fan-based publication starting though (which, I guess at least some of the Big 3PP started out as too). I think a lot of gamers would love to be designers and developers too, and they need a place to get started. Dragon and Dungeon is one place to make submissions, but other outlets will spring up I imagine, as there are only so many pages in an issue to fight over. They already pore a lot of time and energy into their efforts with no chance of payment - just look at the Fan Creations and House Rules forums, or my own efforts with the Pre-release Rules Compilation. For these kinds of amateur writers and designers, the GSL isn't likely as imposing as it is for companies that have existing large overhead and many employees to worry about. Quality of course is variable, and you'd need a dedicated group of volunteer editors and desktop publishers to take the submitted PEACH'd material and assemble it into good looking PDF's. Making money for these people is less important than getting 'published' and noticed by potential employers. How many WotCers got their start in Dragon and Dungeon, after all, and I doubt they were making their whole living off RPGs at the time?

Verys Arkon
4e PrRC Compiler