D&D 4E Let's Talk About 4E On Its Own Terms [+]


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Kannik

Hero
Nor has the Artificer ever been the same (YMMV on how bad a thing that is).
While I concur that it doesn't fully fit the original concept of the class, I would like to note that in isolation I found the Artificer a very fun and capable class that I played from 1 to 20. It still has some of the vestiges of its origins (such as buffing magic items), and could be made to feel a bit more like it if you think of its powers coming from crafted items. (Myself, I'd refluffed it as a Dwarven Runecrafer, carving sigils and runes on items and his weapons and etc and activating them, or breaking runic tablets, to perform his magic.)
 

James Gasik

We don't talk about Pun-Pun
While I concur that it doesn't fully fit the original concept of the class, I would like to note that in isolation I found the Artificer a very fun and capable class that I played from 1 to 20. It still has some of the vestiges of its origins (such as buffing magic items), and could be made to feel a bit more like it if you think of its powers coming from crafted items. (Myself, I'd refluffed it as a Dwarven Runecrafer, carving sigils and runes on items and his weapons and etc and activating them, or breaking runic tablets, to perform his magic.)
I don't have any beef with people who like the current Artificer, it's likely far more balanced. I never had to deal with the nightmare of a high-level Artificer in 3.5, but I'm well aware of the shenanigans they could get up to, with breaking wealth by level and having wands and scrolls for every conceivable spell.

I played a character who made golems in 3.5, I can't recall the name of the prestige class that let me do it, and it was a lot of fun, and the current artificer doesn't quite scratch that itch. Though yanno, again, I understand why minionmancy is a problem, especially in 5e (the game can barely handle Animate Objects, one of my favorite spells!).

I can't help it, the player in me loves bleeding cool options, even though my DM brain is fully aware of the trouble they cause, lol.
 

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