Desdichado
Hero
Some people dislike a lot of stuff. Luckily, once you spot their pessimism and negativity for what it is, they're easy enough to ignore.tetsujin28 said:
Anyone seen the Troy trailer (merged)
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Storm Raven
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tetsujin28 said:
Why? She could just be Achilles mother in the story. (If I remember her role from the Illiad correctly). If there are no "gods and monsters" in this version of the story, why would having her be the non-divine mother of Achilles be "hella lame"?
Shadowdancer
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Well, without her being a goddess, it's hard to work in the whole "Achilles heel" angle. Which should be an important part of the story. What do most people know about the Trojan War? The Trojan Horse, Achilles heel (even if they don't know the details of the legend) and Helen, the face that launched a 1,000 ships.
If the Achilles heel angle is not in the movie, then "Troy" could be a big let-down -- at least for me.
If the Achilles heel angle is not in the movie, then "Troy" could be a big let-down -- at least for me.
barsoomcore
Unattainable Ideal
Maybe I'm just pessimistic and negative 
but the rundown of Peterson's film just seems to make my point. "In the Line of Fire", "Outbreak" and "The Perfect Storm" were all great disappointments to me. Films that shoulda coulda but just didn't.
And I don't think "Air Force One" ought to be overlooked. A film with that much talent involved should have been great but instead we got a half-baked, thrown-together... thing. It was just sloppy.
Having now seen the Troy trailer I have to say I'm underwhelmed. Plenty o cheese there, if you want it, and bad CGI ships. But trailers are deceptive, and all I'm saying is that Peterson's track record is cause for caution in my book. I'm not saying he's utterly incompetent, just that I haven't gotten much out of his previous outings.
Time will tell.
but the rundown of Peterson's film just seems to make my point. "In the Line of Fire", "Outbreak" and "The Perfect Storm" were all great disappointments to me. Films that shoulda coulda but just didn't.And I don't think "Air Force One" ought to be overlooked. A film with that much talent involved should have been great but instead we got a half-baked, thrown-together... thing. It was just sloppy.
Having now seen the Troy trailer I have to say I'm underwhelmed. Plenty o cheese there, if you want it, and bad CGI ships. But trailers are deceptive, and all I'm saying is that Peterson's track record is cause for caution in my book. I'm not saying he's utterly incompetent, just that I haven't gotten much out of his previous outings.
Time will tell.
Desdichado
Hero
No, I just don't know what to make of you, 'core. After all, you quite enjoyed the D&D movie if I remember correctly. 
barsoomcore
Unattainable Ideal
I guess I always take into account the resources an artist has to fall back on, and I always applaud people making good use of what they have. And always boo people who squander quality and money and talent.
The D&D movie had so little of any of those three resources, you just had to cheer. Just getting it made was reason enough to approve. Whereas this movie, with so much talent and more money than God, has no reason to not be fantastic, awe-inspiring, jaw-droppingly good. To see it come out bland and derivative is offensive.
Not saying it IS bland and derivative. But should it be...
The D&D movie had so little of any of those three resources, you just had to cheer. Just getting it made was reason enough to approve. Whereas this movie, with so much talent and more money than God, has no reason to not be fantastic, awe-inspiring, jaw-droppingly good. To see it come out bland and derivative is offensive.
Not saying it IS bland and derivative. But should it be...
shilsen
Adventurer
Shadowdancer said:
Interestingly, the Achilles heel isn't part of the Iliad, since he is fully mortal in the epic. Neither is the Trojan Horse, which will obviously be in this movie, but that's simply because the movie has to go all the way till the end of the war and the epic doesn't.
What I'm wondering about is how they plan to handle Achilles dying. It's not exactly common in Hollywood movies for the hero to bite the bullet a fair way before the end of the story. The "story" as described on the website seems to strongly imply that Achilles falling in love is going to be part of the movie in some way. Wonder how that's going to be handled. [Begin sing-along] Achilles and Briseis, sitting in a tree...
Storm Raven
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Shadowdancer said:
Achilles heel is an important part of the Troy story how? It doesn't factor into any of the events of the Illiad, it has no impact whatsoever on the Trojan Horse scenario, and is irrelevant to Helen's own story. In point of fact, the issue of "Achilles heel" is, no pun intended, a footnote at best.
Dimwhit
Explorer
I look at the original text of The Iliad, and I really hope the movie changes things. Don't get me wrong, I loved The Iliad, but a really true adaptation of the book just would not work well on film. It would be like a cross between Ben Hur and Bugs Bunny. (I'm working on a 10-year old memory of the book, though )
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johnsemlak
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Das Boot is one of my all time favorite movies, that that alone is enough to give me confidence that W Peterson will do a good job with Troy. And as mentioned above, he's done loads of great movies since, and a fair share of average ones (like anybody).
I'm definitely looking forward to this one.
