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Are gamers really that pathetic?

Some of the comments made here in this thread about getting a "better show at a strip joint" and such are a tad inappropriate. Reading the article, it doesn't look like the booth workers are too down on attendees. The most negative stuff had to do with theft.

To be blunt, this is one area where everyone points the finger at everyone except for themselves and whatever region/group/clique they go for. I'd say about 90% of this in game to game situations comes from the fact that it's customary for lots of gamers to game with people they aren't friends with and sometimes, don't even like. 10% comes from the fact that RPGs are a marginal hobby and thus, the fringe stands out all the more.

Another issue is the way large conventions deal with events. The smelliest area of Gen Con last year was the CCG room/hangar. It stunk because there were a thousand people in it, playing CCGs. This is pretty much unavoidable at large cons, though.

But I've met poorly adjusted gamers from all over the world. All of them like to complain about how awful gamers who aren't them are a little more than most. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, since gamers who accept the sense of shame and self-loathing they unconsciously feel their hobby deserves will tend to fit the bill, since they end up feeling they have little to lose. They may not say it (and will protest that they aren't part of the problem the whole way), but they do it.

In short, it's the folks who are most self-righteous about Cat-Piss Men who tend to *be* them. Everyone else just takes a second to go somewhere else and game with people they actually like.
 

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fanboy2000 said:
I noticed, that you didn't answer my question. Do you feel the article's contents are irrelvavent?

I feel the topic of this thread goes beyond the specifics of that article. The topic of this thread was whether gamers were really pathetic, "like" it said in the article. It is not limited to discussing that specific article,and that's not what I was doing.

Are you honestly trying to pretend that:
a) there isn't a serious ratio of people in gaming who are social rejects of some kind or another?
b) the general view of gamers in popular culture is of the worst kind of those rejects? Smelly unwashed dateless wonders at best, potential high-school shooters or deviants at worst?
c) it would be BETTER for gaming if that perception was changed?
d) the only way for that perception to change would be for gamers to take some responsibility for who they allow to be "poster boys" for their community?

Nisarg
 

Style said:
Awesome thread :D

From the preceding pages I have learned that the following may or may not be true:

1. North Americans are way smellier than South Americans.

No, just South American gamers are far less tolerant of smelly people than North American gamers.

2. Some folks would be a lot happier if we put all the wiffy wierdos on an island somewhere and forgot all about them.

As long as its not an island in South America. ;)


I love actually being able to roleplay with normal people here, and where there are lots of girl-gamers.

5. There is a fundamental connection between feline urine and gaming that I was previously quite unaware of.

The term "cat-piss man" originated online (either here or rpg.net, I'm not sure), based on someone's story of one of those socially inept gamers, who always smelled like cat piss. It has come to be referential to the overall phenomenon of socially retarded gamers.

Nisarg
 

eyebeams said:
But I've met poorly adjusted gamers from all over the world. All of them like to complain about how awful gamers who aren't them are a little more than most. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, since gamers who accept the sense of shame and self-loathing they unconsciously feel their hobby deserves will tend to fit the bill, since they end up feeling they have little to lose. They may not say it (and will protest that they aren't part of the problem the whole way), but they do it.

That seems pretty absurd to me. It would take some pretty weak-willed human being to become socially incompetent just because he feels his hobby demands it.

I think a more likely prognosis is that those for whom gaming is not their sole social outlet, who have other things going for them, will not be cat-piss men.. Those who have no other social outlet, and who see that the standards for social behaviour in Gaming are very very low, might just slip down to that lower common denominator, due to self-esteem issues or what have you, and because the rest of the community is an enabler for that type of behaviour. All the more reason for gamers to have some basic standards of what they expect from the people they are gaming with. You might be saving a social life... ;)

It isn't just in gaming, obviously. In my own "social outlets", I've seen similar phenomena.. be it in the pipe-smoking community, in meditation groups, in chi gung, even in politics or the freemasons. Even in a slightly different manifestation in the line of work I'm in (academic research). In any of these, when there are people who only have that ONE social outlet, be it just their job, or just pipe-collecting, or just gaming, they get eccentric. But in the other communities, the eccentricity will not take the extremes of social retardation you will find in the "nerd/fandom" communities (not just gaming but anime fandom, scifi, etc), because in those other communities such an extreme would be deemed unacceptable.

Lastly, your attempt to silence dissent is noted; nice tactic implying that anyone who dares to argue we need less catpiss men is probably a catpiss man, but I think that its quite acceptable and even desperately nescessary to demand that there be certain basic standards of hygene and self-control in roleplaying, and I'm pretty confident in my social abilities.

On the contrary, I would say that while those who try to dodge the issue and pretend that there isn't a catpiss man problem are suffering from the geek social fallacy, those who try to actively attack people who demand social standards in gaming are almost certainly catpiss men themselves. That supposition seems a lot more logical than yours.

Nisarg
 

Funny thread.

You mean you guys don't start to drool and experience a major brain shutdown if you see real nice girls?

But I don't see a connection to most boothbabes.
 

YES. Gamers REALLY are that desperate, that pathetic. Having been to two local cons, I can affirm this.

I myself am a social reject. I don't go out, I don't have any friends, I don't even play face-to-face. I'm 21, never had a date, never will. Having seen what the mainstream is like, this is what I choose to be. I loathe them and want to have nothing at all to do with them. Hell, I even had a rotten time when going to the aforementioned local cons. I didn't play any games, I didn't talk to anyone there. By the time it was over, I felt like having a nervous breakdown. I went back home, shut the door to my room and broke out in tears.

So yes, we do exist.
 

Incenjucar said:
Roman, I know your pain. I didn't even admit that I liked girls until I was 18 (helps that I was in an area full of people that, due to their beliefs, or, alternatively, bad habits, I had zero desire of being emotionally attatched to). Even used to pride myself on being "Der Ubervirgin".

He, he - yes, I too only admitted to liking girls only relatively recently (I do not remember precisely at what age but it was definitely later than 18) and I still avoid any topic of girls/women/sex like plague IRL. You are also correct that I still have some kind of 'pride' on being 'Der Ubervirgin'. I am not sure that pride is the correct word, though, since I am sort of 'self-mockingly' proud of it and yet not proud of it at the same time if you see what I mean. ;)
 

Style said:
1. North Americans are way smellier than South Americans.
2. Some folks would be a lot happier if we put all the wiffy wierdos on an island somewhere and forgot all about them.
3. The booth girls are better at some place called Illinois Street.
4. Roman may well know shaolin kungfu!
5. There is a fundamental connection between feline urine and gaming that I was previously quite unaware of.

ROFL! :D
 



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