D&D 5E Arguing, ideating and solution-seeking on the D&D Enworld forum

[DarkMantle]

Maybe I should have put more thought into choosing the right word for the first question. But I did put thought into it, and "arguing" seemed like the best word at the time.

Also for better or worse, I wanted folks to be able to self-define what "arguing" meant for them, rather than trying to spoon-feed them a specific definition.

It was definitely not my intention to light the spark for a "discussion" about the definition of arguing, but if that flame wants to burn, let it roar

 

[FrogReaver]

Maybe I should have put more thought into choosing the right word for the first question. But I did put thought into it, and "arguing" seemed like the best world.

Also for better or worse, I wanted folks to be able to self-define what "arguing" meant for them, rather than trying to spoon-feed them a specific definition.

It was definitely not my intention to light the spark for a "discussion" about the definition of arguing, but if that flame wants to burn, let it roar

For what it's worth I think your question was fine. Only reason I chimed in was because some comments defined it for us in a way that excluded how I most often use the word.

 

[Morrus]

For some reason, I found reddit to be quite reasonable in the tone of discussion. Lots of ideation and solutions. Perhaps the reddit format does not lend itself to arguing?

Or , actually, quite probably, I'm not looking at the parts of reddit where people argue.

It’s a big place. There’s a part of Reddit for… everything.

 

[Umbran]

But though I don't mind the arguing I'd far rather it be over principles and ideas rather than semantics or word definitions* or people trying to lawyer threads around to a particular viewpoint.

Show me an argument that isn't about getting the thread around to a particular viewpoint...

* - though word-definition arguments often arise due to people using a word or term to mean what they think it means rather than what it does mean.

Or, what you (generic, not you, Lanefan) think it means.

 

[Umbran]

Oftentimes what is meant by someone using the word 'argument' is the same as what you mean by discussion. See definition 2.

So, you provide an excellent example of the problem at hand - telling me what it should mean, rather than investigate what I mean. Good work.

Now please stop.

 

[Umbran]

Yeah. It's the time where you have more time to think and ponder about new ideas but nobody feels like it. So it's very comfortable for people to state their preferences and not engage in conversation of new things.

Also, general states of anxiety, and lack of control, can lead to a number of unfortunate behaviors if you aren't keeping an eye out for them.

 

[FrogReaver]

So, you provide an excellent example of the problem at hand - telling me what it should mean, rather than investigate what I mean. Good work.

Now please stop.

Okay. I will be happy to stop whatever it is you want me to stop.

If it's telling you what it should mean then consider it done.
If it's something else just clarify what it is lest I do it without realization.

 

[Umbran]

Okay. I will be happy to stop whatever it is you want me to stop.

I am asking you to stop providing excellent examples of the problem.

I suppose it is okay to continue doing so, if you give it an explicit frame, making clear that you are trying to give a picture of the problem. Like, "So part of the problem is stuff like this.... <example>."

 

[FrogReaver]

I am asking you to stop providing excellent examples of the problem.

I suppose it is okay to continue doing so, if you give it an explicit frame, making clear that you are trying to give a picture of the problem. Like, "So part of the problem is stuff like this.... <example>."

I will try. But I do want to note that due to the subjective nature of the request (it's not specified what criteria or judge that determines what an excellent example of the problem is) my efforts may be 100% on point in my eyes while failing to be in yours.

Can I ask that you would try to do the same?

 

[jmartkdr2]

IMO, oftentimes if someone can clearly state their problem the solution becomes obvious. But often the person cannot clearly state their problem because they don't fully understand their problem.

The most common variant: they are talking about their game, but they use the term the game - and don't mention the houserules in play, so all of the advice they get doesn't apply to them.