Art: Bloodfury Savage: Since when do half-orcs shave their pits.


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Since when do people hate breasts? :confused:

I don't hate breasts. I hate cheap sexist pandering. I don't hate the female body - quite the opposite. Someone who hates the female body is someone who can't pay attention to anything but boobs. Or someone who needs to see wahoos on everything.

Actually, of the official D&D Gnoll minis and some artwork, female Gnolls have been depicted with breasts.

Goblins - Life through Their Eyes - Sunday, March 15, 2009 clearly depicts female goblins with breasts, and even lipstick!!

I can't speak for kobolds, but they've had so many thematic changes through the editions, anyway, it wouldn't surprise me.

Goblins isn't done by WotC. If we're including fan-made material...well, then everything has breasts. Even balloons. Yes, melons that have a smaller pair of bosoms. This is the internet. It's out there somewhere.

And I'm pretty sure kobolds have never had jugs (LET'S SEE HOW MANY EUPHEMISMS I CAN FIT IN ONE POST), but now in 4e they're related to dragons, and we know what that (apparently) causes. Just you wait for the book/article that has them as a PC ;p
 



"Proud, honorable warriors, born from the blood of an ancient dragon god"
--Description of Dragonborn from the PHB

So dragonborn have dragon blood in them but are mammals, even though dragons are not. So dragonborn have boobies and dragons don't.

Makes sense to me... :-S

By the way, I love D&D 4th edition and think it's the best version of D&D yet. I just think that dragonborn boobies are a really stupid idea. I can live with ridiculous tiefling tails and shaved half-orcs, but the boobies must go.

Well... blood of a dragon GOD. Not nessesarily a dragon. Also isn't baphomet not really a "dragon" that's just a form he tends to take a lot of the time?

As far as boobies go I really don't care one way or the other. The fact that this topic has been pretty much continously cropping up though tells me one thing... A whole lot of gamers, despite anythign they might say, are obsessed with boobs.
 

Something just struck me really odd about the picture on page 20 of the PHB2

Here we have a savage half-orc barabarian, who obviously can't afford new shoes, and a wild look in his eyes, yet he's taken the time to shave his armpits?

Or do half orcs not grow body hair? I thought that was elves.

Doesn't really seem all that odd to me since I think you'll be hard pressed to find too many examples of armpit hair in general in fantasy artwork. Body hair just seems to be taboo for many artist.

It is silly though.
 

Me too, but with Dragonborn, I'm just not seeing it. So the females have breasts? Who cares? They have to store milk somewhere.

No they don't. They don't HAVE milk. That was added after the fact.

Timeline:

Dragonborn have breasts. People go "Uhhh what. They're lizards that lay eggs."

Dragonborn are told to have milk. People go "Uhhh what. They still lay eggs."

Dragonborn are now apparently platypi. People go "You really don't know how this works, do you?"
 


No they don't. They don't HAVE milk. That was added after the fact.

Care to prove that? Yes, the Dragon article was written afterwards. However, it seems to me that it was likely written before the PHB was published (though after the PHB was written) since, based on BRJ's comments, Dragon articles are written several months before publication (he first mentioned Ecology of the Sharn around October).

So unless you have some proof that making dragonborn have mammaries occured after the fact, you're accusation is essentially baseless.

As for dragonborn being monotremes - no, they're not, for reasons cited. Are they reptiles? Depends on your definition, since reptiles aren't a genuine taxonomical group anymore (crocodiles, for instance, are more closely related to birds than lizards or snakes). Are they mammals? Depends on your definiton. If anything with mammaries is a mammal, then yes. They're hairless, however, which is another universal feature of mammals unique to them.

The question then becomes... why the hell do they have to fit into modern taxonomy? Dragons are magical creatures that breath fire (or acid, freezing air, etc.). It's not like dragons, as a whole fit into any taxonomical group smoothly. In the 3e Draconomicon they were explicitly stated to not be reptiles but they're own group. I don't see why it's such a leap of logic for people to get the idea that, maybe, just maybe dragonborn don't have to follow the rules for reptiles because they aren't reptiles.

As for sexism - that was my first impression, too, but experience shows me that men (such as myself) tend to get more cranked up about dragonborn boobs than women do. To women, it's no big deal, and in fact, they tend to get quite irritated when you tell them they can't play a beautiful, breasted individual of their race.

Just like guys tend to enjoy playing idealized male characters, women tend to enjoy playing idealized female characters. Women like to look pretty, you know.



Anyhoo... As for the original post, it's easy enough to imagine that, somewhere out there, there's a half-orc that enjoy shaving his pits. I imagine that it is due to the weird artistic taboo on body hair, but it's not difficult to picture. After all, the Chickasaw of the southern United States shaved all their body hair and could easily serve as an inspiration for a "noble savage" (in quotes, since the archetype doesn't really exist) race.
 
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No they don't. They don't HAVE milk. That was added after the fact.

Timeline:

Dragonborn have breasts. People go "Uhhh what. They're lizards that lay eggs."

Dragonborn are told to have milk. People go "Uhhh what. They still lay eggs."

Dragonborn are now apparently platypi. People go "You really don't know how this works, do you?"

Well, people are stupid.

Breasts, on the other hand, are fantastic. So I'm going to chalk this up as a win for gamers in general.
 

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