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Asmodeus vs Demogorgon

Who would win in an all out brall

  • Asmodeus

    Votes: 66 75.0%
  • Demogorgon

    Votes: 22 25.0%

  • Total voters
    88
  • Poll closed .

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hong

WotC's bitch
Information said:
I am currently statting Barry Manilow, and I personally feel that he could win in melee against either.

I would bet on Minmei in a smackdown against Barry Manilow.
 


Eryx

First Post
Nightfall said:
Orcus still could do a major beat down IMHO. :)

I think Nightfall and I have to agree on this one (Just in case Clark is watching). Orcus would walk in and spank both of them. :)
 

Nightfall

Sage of the Scarred Lands
:) Hey I'm doing this even IF Clark isn't watching. :) I hold true to my Lord of Undeath. Basically cause I know he rules, no matter WHICH version of him get published! ;)
 

James McMurray

First Post
I had to vote Demogorgon, mainly because Power Word Stun is unstoppable if it can be done at will. If it doesn't stun them for more than 1 round, you do it again. If it does stun them for more than one round, you hit them with something else. Of course, if their caster levels make MR a factor, I'd have to change my vote.
 

Nish

First Post
Aaron L said:
Hopefully Asmodeus. Oneof the basics of the Devils, and why the Demons haven't wiped them out (not in any Blood War, just out of malice), is that there are many, many, many, many, many Demons, but the Devils are more individually powerful.
Actually, I think the Demons and Devils are pretty even on a creature by creature basis, with a few specific comparisons going to the Demons. However, the real balance the Devils have to the Demons' numbers is strategy, organisation, and discipline. Three things the Tanar'ri will never understand. And then there's the Yugoloth, who may be the least numerous of the fiends, but get many of the benefits of the Baatezu's strategy and organisation combined with the flexability of the Tanar'ri. Making them the fiends who should be feared most. :D

Now the Celestials... Those are the ones that makeup for smaller numbers with more powerful individuals. Can you say 'Solar'? ;)
 

Sorry about the buil-up and then lousy conclusion. I was tired.

I think we'd all agree that the fight would last a number of rounds. So then we would need to know the levels/hit dice any impartial DM would assign to the two. I'd say the hit dice were equal, as 1 hit point doesn't justify an extra hit die.

Demogorgon's energy draining would quickly bring Asmodeus down to a level where Asmodeus would not get a save vs. Demogorgon's hypnosis ability.

I see demons as more powerful than devil individually, but demons fight each other and don't cooperate. Charge! is their general idea of strategy. I think devils, although individually weaker, ccoperate, plan, know tactics and strategy, and don't really fight one another outside of politicing and plotting. That's why devils win as much as lose.

I'm still using 1e as a basis, because I am one of those who try to forget 2e, as well as the movies Sphere and Highlander 2.

BTW, I'm a fan of both. I prefer neither. In fact, in one campaign I ran, Asmodeus and Demogorgon had arranged a "partnership" of sorts.

As for demons, Demogorgon - Orcus - Juiblex were, and always will be, the best, with honourable mention to Lolth.
 



MPA2000

Explorer
As 1e gives us the only real means of comparison, let's use that:

Demogorgon and Asmodeus are Lesser Gods (DDG p.90).

Armour Class: Asmodeus has a -7 AC vs. Demogorgon's -8.

Hit Points: Asmodeus has 199 hp vs. Demogorgon's 200.

Physical Attacks: Asmodeus has one attack for 4-14 damage vs.
Demogorgon's 3 attacks for 1-6 for each tentacle while his tail drains 1d4 levels.

Magic Resistance: Asmodeus has 90% vs. Demogorgon's 95%.

Special Mentions:
Asmodeus can fly, is as strong as a storm giant, and can use the following abilities; wall of fire, ice storm, wall of ice, detect invisible, invisibility, dispel magic, hold monster, shape change, beguile, rulership, geas, symbols of pain, insanity, and hopelessness, unholy word, summon 2 greater devils (we'll assume pit fiends). His gaze causes fear, weakness, or chill. Also his rod has the effects of dragon's breath.

Demogorgon can hypnotize, beguile, insanity, detect invisible, dispel magic, polymorph self, wall of ice, telekinese, feeblemind, project image, power word stun, any symbol, gating in a random demon.

Too close, it would depend on if they were played to their fullest potential.

Was it ever stated in either the MM or DDG what level/HD either ruler were? I thought that the MM stated that they were 10th level?
 

howandwhy99

Adventurer
Asmodeus = 70,965*
Demogorgon = 74,000*

*material forms only, otherwise x10

But really, with power levels this close any one battle is going to come down to the rolling of the dice. Demogorgon will still win the majority of the time though.
 


MPA2000

Explorer
Asmodeus = 70,965*
Demogorgon = 74,000*

*material forms only, otherwise x10

But really, with power levels this close any one battle is going to come down to the rolling of the dice. Demogorgon will still win the majority of the time though.

Okay that is what you figured in xp, but I was asking if anyone figured out what their HD/level were. Aside from "lesser god" as stated in the DDG.

BTW they all have only material forms. Avatars didn't come in to use until the 2nd edt of AD&D, and even then the Demon Lords and Arch Devils were removed from the game.
 


pemerton

Legend
BTW they all have only material forms. Avatars didn't come in to use until the 2nd edt of AD&D
The notion of "material forms" is in 1st ed AD&D - a Demon Prince/Archdevil killed other than on its home plane is only banished, not permanently destroyed - the phrase "material form" seems to have the meaning "form on the prime material plane" - an outerplanar creature's analogue to the bodies that astrally projecting characters make when they arrive on the outer planes.
 

Corathon

First Post
Was it ever stated in either the MM or DDG what level/HD either ruler were? I thought that the MM stated that they were 10th level?

If by "level" you mean hit dice, in 1E one divides HP by 4.5 to get hit dice. That makes both about 45 HD.

If by "level" you mean monster level, both are level X (the top).
 


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