Babes of Gencon 2003

[KnowTheToe]

{You are right, it is a degrating term, as it is meant to devalue the woman's role in the sales process. }

Hmm, I always saw it as an insult to the _product_ and its _manufacterer_, as in "If your game is so lame that you need a booth babe to get people to visit your booth...."

Every industry uses them, from car the mighty car shows to the lowly game cons, models are used to sell product. They are well paid and it is their choice. They are not there because of product knowledge. It is no different than catchy art or other advertising that is not directly related to the product.

 

[Morbidity]

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quite right. beauty is analogous to healthy. we find clear skin, shiny hair, bright eyes, white teeth, and firm musculature attractive, because those are all signs of a healthy partner and by direct association, someone capable of providing healthy children.

now of course, very few people if anyone at all, actually thinks this way consciously anymore, but it's still the subconscious/genetic thought process that determines attractiveness.

trying to say that one should not find attractive people ... well, attractive, is ridiculous. ALL humans are designed this way. ... well the ones with all their wires connected, anyway.

Perhaps but what we view as attractive has changed significantly over time. Is being attracted to whatever the fashion industry is portraying as beautiful a genetic process? In the Renaissance period, the most beautiful figure would today be described as technically obese. I think we’re trained by the fashion industry not genetics regarding what we should think of as being attractive.

 

[Ashwyn]

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Perhaps but what we view as attractive has changed significantly over time. Is being attracted to whatever the fashion industry is portraying as beautiful a genetic process? In the Renaissance period, the most beautiful figure would today be described as technically obese. I think we’re trained by the fashion industry not genetics regarding what we should think of as being attractive.

That's true, but some of us ignore the fashion industry. I mean, have you seen how they dress? Atrocious.

 

[King_Stannis]

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I think we’re trained by the fashion industry not genetics regarding what we should think of as being attractive.

Actually, it's the breast size to hip size ratio that men subconsciously pick up on. Forget what it is, but the busty Marilyn Monroe and the waiflike Audrey Hepburn had the identical ratio. There is an "ideal" number that men almost universally are predisposed to notice.

 

[Mark Chance]

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beauty is analogous to healthy. we find clear skin, shiny hair, bright eyes, white teeth, and firm musculature attractive, because those are all signs of a healthy partner and by direct association, someone capable of providing healthy children.

Ideas of physical attractiveness are culturally conditioned. For example, click here. Note the body of the central figure in the painting. In the 15th century, she was considered the pinnacle of beauty. Now turn on your TV and try to find a "beautiful" woman who resembles her.

Examples could be multiplied ad nauseum both from Western history as well as by examining non-Western cultures.

IOW, it isn't so much DNA that makes the super-model appear attractive as it is decades of Madison Avenue propaganda.

 

[Darth Shoju]

yep you can, the album is open for anyone to add photos. so feel free to upload.

Cool thanks. Though in retrospect I guess it is actually from Gencon 2000. It was the year 3.0 came out anyway. Also, from what I recall that was the year they killed off Bayushi Kachiko in the official L5R LARP. Betty was the official Kachiko model for L5R and swore never to don the costume again (I hear she actually screamed at the LARP when Kachiko died). So it's a little piece of Gencon history really.

And she isn't scantilly clad at all IMO, so it shouldn't offend. But she did put a look on her face that made the dorky fanboy in me quite shy; as a result I took a crappy pic. But my more cool-headed buddy got a better pic later on, so it's all good.

 

[Negative Zero]

Ashwyn & Mark Chance:

what King_Stannis said is pricisely what i was trying to get at, but couldn't remember the secifics at the time:

Actually, it's the breast size to hip size ratio that men subconsciously pick up on. Forget what it is, but the busty Marilyn Monroe and the waiflike Audrey Hepburn had the identical ratio. There is an "ideal" number that men almost universally are predisposed to notice.

the time period that you both mentioned doesn't change that. Mark, if you consider the woman in the aphrodite/venus painting obese, then i feel sorry for any women who are dependent on your approval. though certainly not a waif, she is by no means obese! indeed, none of the really attractive women of the period were. they were simply well fed. in a time when there was a huge disparity in wealth distribution, this was obviously a good thing.

~NegZ

 

[Negative Zero]

So, an elf, a dwarf and a human enter Rohan. And the bartender says, "what is this, some kind of a joke?"

Laugh, damn you.

LOL! that IS funny ... on some level, i'm sure

oh and Ashwyn, i think Oprah is beautiful too.

~NegZ

 

[Mark Chance]

Mark, if you consider the woman in the aphrodite/venus painting obese, then i feel sorry for any women who are dependent on your approval.

Excuse me while I roll my eyes:



Did I even use the word "obese" once in my entire post? Go ahead and check. I already know the answer. I'll wait here. *whistle, whistle, whistle*

Back? Then I'm sure you've noticed that I made no mention of Venus's weight at all, now did I? Find someone else's mouth to put words into.

And, to educate all of you on real beauty:

 

[Negative Zero]

my apologies Mark, i didn't mean to be inflamatory. or to put words into your mouth. clearly i did, and i apologise. i made an assumption based on the usual comments of modern beanpole models vs more ample women of the past. and follwed the usual course when one @$$umes.

~NegZ