Bad Faith and Sealioning

[Morrus]

The thing is that in this example, person A is saying something that is clearly contrafactual. Sea-lioning usually involves things that require a modicum of judgement, which makes it something that can be questioned. In addition, it is all too often a group activity, either as part of coordinated harassment or because people can't be hedgehogged to read a whole thread before replying. So what you get is something like this:

A: X said a bad thing.
B: What do you mean X said a bad thing?
A: X said Y, which is bad because of these reasons.
B: Where is your proof that X said Y?
A: Right here.
B: I don't know if I can trust that source.
A: Well, there's also this and that source where X says something close to Y, only using different phrasing.
B: I don't think Y is as bad as you say it is. And doesn't X have freedom of speech?
A: X certainly has freedom of speech, just as I have the freedom to say that saying Y is bad and that people who say Y should be shamed for it.

That bit is exhausting enough, but then we add:
C: What do you mean X said a bad thing?
... with C, D, E, and F all repeating the stuff B said.

You’re mixing in elements of gish-galloping in there too, I think.

 

[Thomas Shey]

That bit is exhausting enough, but then we add:
C: What do you mean X said a bad thing?
... with C, D, E, and F all repeating the stuff B said.

I was always under the impression that, when done deliberately, that was brigading.

 

[the Jester]

You’re mixing in elements of gish-galloping in there too, I think.

I thought gish-galloping was dropping so many BS arguments so fast that the other person doesn't have the time or ability to refute them all? Maybe I have that one wrong, though.

 

[The Sigil]

I thought gish-galloping was dropping so many BS arguments so fast that the other person doesn't have the time or ability to refute them all? Maybe I have that one wrong, though.

No, you have Gish galloping right. It also usually includes a bad faith element of ”even though you refuted the vast majority of my points, you missed refuting a single point out of all of them thus clearly my argument is valid”

 

[Scribe]

Gish galloping?

Clearly my mental image of a knight/mage hybrid on a horse was off base.

 

[MGibster]

Clearly my mental image of a knight/mage hybrid on a horse was off base.

Gish gallops are more common among knight/bard multiclassers.

 

[Gradine]

I was always under the impression that, when done deliberately, that was brigading.

I think brigading carries with it the connotation that you have deliberately brought along like minded allies who can then flood the conversation (or more often simply resort to group harassment)

 

[Lanefan]

Holy galloping gish, Batman - it's a brigade of sea-lions!

 

[rredmond]

Gish galloping?

Clearly my mental image of a knight/mage hybrid on a horse was off base.

Jakers, I am old! Never even heard of this one.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Jakers, I am old! Never even heard of this one.

Forget it, Jake. It's Ch.... the internet.


The internet is allowing ways to argue in bad faith to be created more rapidly than we can name them....