Badger Kung Fu -- need rules help! Thx.

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Let's say I have a race of Badger People (or the new spiky people in Magic of Incarnum) and these people have Natural Attacks. I if give them a eastern (by way of Hollywood westernism) ideology and system of Martial Arts.....

Why would their martial art-NOT be compatable with their natural weapons. Much like Kung-fu uses a person's natural abilites, so would a Martial Art developed by a race with natural weapons.

And, actually, this wouldn't be a bad house rule. There's already lots of examples in other books - especially Eberron - which allow monks to add weapons to their monk weapon list. The prereqs are, generally speaking, proficiency in the weapon, weapon focus in it, and occasionally another feat required to use the weapon well (like TWF in the case of the double-bladed sword).

So, make a new feat - Badgerfolk Strike - which allows a monk to treat claws as monk weapons, and give it to that race as a racial bonus feat.

Problem solved.

 

[Artoomis]

I don't think that preface is necesary. Any discussion of the rules will by necessity ignore the FAQ, because the FAQ often bears no resemblance to the rules.

IOW, 'Ignores the FAQ' is implied by the forum title!


glass.

No... The FAQ supplements the rules, and in some cases changes them. This forum INCLUDES the FAQ most certainly. Discussion of what the rules say often ends up in diffentiating between:

1. The rules as writen, pre-errata.
2. The rules as written, post-errata.
3. The rules as written, including the FAQ.
4. Sage advice vs, any of the above view of the rules
5. Strict language vs. interpretation.
6. Things taken out of context in context
7. General advice of how to use the rules in a game regardless (or in light of) numbers o 1-6 above.
8. Any or all of the above restricted to core rules or incluing various supplemental material.

I think there are probably more permutations of the above as well. If it's about using the rules, then it's fair game in this forum. It is, indeed, important to know what the context of a discussion is - RAW, FAQ, Supplental material, etc., etc.

 

[RigaMortus2]

Interestingly, a druid monk with wildshape can take INA because he can have natural weapons. And he can apply it to both his real natural attacks and his unarmed strikes while wildshaped.

I am not so sure about this... Do you need to constantly have the ability to use Natural Attacks in order to get INA? Because, unless the Druid is permantly Wildshaped into a form that has natural attacks, he would not qualify for INA. OR do you simply have to have the ability to gain natural attacks in order to get INA. It comes down to either this:

Player: I am in my Human form, can I take INA now that I am 6th level?
DM: No, because your Human form doesn't have natural attacks, only your animal forms do.
Player: Darn...

OR

Player: I am in my Human form, can I take INA now that I am 6th level?
DM: No, because your Human form doesn't have natural attacks, only your animal forms do.
Player: Well then I wildshape to a goat... Can I take it now?
DM: Errr... I guess so...

OR

Player: I am in my Human form, can I take INA now that I am 6th level?
DM: Well, since you do have the ability to obtain a natural attack (via wildshape) then yes, you qualify.

But as soon as he leaves wildshape, he loses the prerequisite and can't use the feat.

You know what... I was gonna disagree with this in terms of a Monk/Druid, but yeah, I think you are right. The prereq is to have a natural attack, and the only time a Monk's unarmed strike is considered to be a natural attack is for effects that target natural attacks. It's kind of a catch 22... I don't know, I would have to think more on this one...

Sorry to hijack (ok, well no, not really )

 

[glass]

Ahem. What was that about a can of worms?

Touche!


glass.

 

[glass]

I am not so sure about this... Do you need to constantly have the ability to use Natural Attacks in order to get INA? Because, unless the Druid is permantly Wildshaped into a form that has natural attacks, he would not qualify for INA. OR do you simply have to have the ability to gain natural attacks in order to get INA. It comes down to either this:

AFAIAC, you need to meet the prerequisite when you select the feat, and any time you want to use it.

Player: I am in my Human form, can I take INA now that I am 6th level?
DM: No, because your Human form doesn't have natural attacks, only your animal forms do.
Player: Darn...

OR

Player: I am in my Human form, can I take INA now that I am 6th level?
DM: No, because your Human form doesn't have natural attacks, only your animal forms do.
Player: Well then I wildshape to a goat... Can I take it now?
DM: Errr... I guess so...

OR

Player: I am in my Human form, can I take INA now that I am 6th level?
DM: Well, since you do have the ability to obtain a natural attack (via wildshape) then yes, you qualify.

I believe it's the middle one. You don't automatically level up when you get the necessary XP, that just gives you the option. Absent any houserules to the contrary, once you have the XP you can level up any time you like.

You choose you feats when you level up, so if you choose to excercise your option to level up while wildshaped you have claws (or whatever) when you level up, and can meet the prerequisites of INA.


glass.