Battlestar Galactica:Season 2; Part 4 NSCR/8.5.05

[Flexor the Mighty!]

What I found highly interesting is that Tigh really isn't a bad commanding officer - he's shown time and time again that he actually does have the ability to do it, he just needs a bit more confidence in himself. For example, his plan to get all the captains together and explain his decision - spot on. Then he lets people tell him he doesn't know what to do, caves in to t he pressure, and all of the sudden he's on the bottle, making a mess of things.

Yeah, if he hadn't gotten his wife back I think he, and the fleet, would be in a lot better shape.

 

[Red Spire Press]

Another great episode. Gritty, intense, and desperate. I was also glad to finally see some new faces on Caprica.

A couple things bugged me though. During the Cylons' attack, we saw nukes going off everywhere. Yet no where in the city was there any blast damage, wreckage, glassed areas, or anything of the sort. Just the pretty over-exposed camera effect. What exactly did the Cylons nuke? The wilderness?? Also, i wish the producers had spent some of their considerable budget on unique personal weapon models. Was it my imagination or was Starbuck dual wielding Uzis? The hummer in the last episode also bothered me. Of course, there are supposed to be huge parallels between BSGers and us, but I'd rather not see direct references.

 

[Steve Jung]

Could have been neutron bombs. They kill living things, but leave structures intact. As far as the weapons go, I believe Helo had an Uzi and Starbuck was dual-wieling Skorpions.

 

[Elf Witch]

I found a lot of this episode predictable as soon as Tigh sent in troops I knew that someone in one of the boarding parties was going to open fire. Saw that Boomer was going to get shot.

That by the way was so stupid I would have thought that considering the hositility the crew felt for Boomer that they would have cleared the hallways before moving her. It was obivious something bad was going to happen.

I still think Starbuck is a b**ch. She is just so unpleasant. And of course she is not only the best pilot ,shot fill in the blank but she can win a pyrmid match against a pro. Oh yeah right she could have played pro but for her bum knee. She is such a Mary Sue type character.

I like Lee and Roslin they are my favorite characters. They have honor and the courage to do what is best for everyone. I don't see Adama or Tigh doing this. I have read that some people consider Adama the heart of the show. I don't see it. I think Roslin is.

I do tend to find some of the cyclons to have more humanity then their creators.

 

[John Crichton]

I like Lee and Roslin they are my favorite characters. They have honor and the courage to do what is best for everyone. I don't see Adama or Tigh doing this. I have read that some people consider Adama the heart of the show. I don't see it. I think Roslin is.

One of them was me, about 10 posts up.

Roslin isn't the heart, she's the soul.

He represents reality, survival at all costs and the straightforward thinking of a man who has already lived life and will continue to do so. He's set in his ways and made his mistakes. The show will prove if he has learned from them or not. He also knows how people tick and how to make that work for the situation at hand. He is their best bet to make it through alive. He knows how to command and how to delegate.

Roslin is (and must be) a similiar character but cut from a different mold. She represents hope, freedom and spirit. She, too, is set in her ways but as someone who has lived around politics her entire life she is learning more and more about the abstract as she goes. And as someone who knows she's going to die soon she has an air of recklessness and confidence that only one who has accepted death can have.

So, yes - Adama is the heart but the heart is nothing without the soul and vice versa.

 

[ecliptic]

Roslin is just a train wreck. From the point where she wanted military as police to the time she organized the theft of an important piece of military equipment needed for a vital mission to keep the human race alive. What's next for her? Incite a religious civil war and bring the destruction of many civilian lives and maybe the entire human race? She is bound to determine to go down in flames and bring the entire human race with her. This time even her most loyal subject could not stomach her actions.

 

[Steel_Wind]

I don't see this talk of Adama losing his son. His son is not "lost" he is a few ships over, assisting the President after Tigh declared Martial law, dissolved the Quorum of 12 and brought the human race to the brink of civil war.

Roslin said that she saw where it was going - ships would break off from the fleet and try to go it alone and the human race would be destroyed - easy pickings for Cylons a few ships at a time.

She was absolutely right.

As for Tigh, his own officers of the watch conspired to let the President go.

So who is to blame for all of this?

Adama is to blame. He arrested the President. He is the quintessential military man who values loyalty above logic. Colonel Tigh has no place being the executive officer of the Galactica. He never did.

Eight agents? Don't know about that - but I never accepted that Tigh's wife was not a cylon and I am becoming more convinced of it with every episode we see her manipulate him into doing the exact wrong thing.

Their barfly scene was interesting though!

 

[Red Spire Press]

Wasn't it said early on in Season 1 that there are 8 human models? Regardless, I highly doubt Tigh's wife is a cylon. She's just a manipulative evil munchkin.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Adama is to blame. He arrested the President. He is the quintessential military man who values loyalty above logic.

But he arrested her because she was the reason Starbuck ran off and stole the Raider. He had good reason to do so. If you want to track everything like you're doing, blame it on Roslin's doctor back on Caprica for telling her she had cancer...because without that, no drugs, no visions(as far as we know, at least), no telling Starbuck to get to Caprica, no getting arrested, etc.

Colonel Tigh has no place being the executive officer of the Galactica. He never did.

Strongly disagree with this. Near the start of the first season, I would have agreed...but since then, we've seen Tigh as a strong, good leader who can do things just as well as Adama. His problems have kicked in when his wife appeared, and then she kicks back his drinking. I've said it time and time again drinking + wife = screwed up Tigh. Take those two away and he's a great officer.

Wasn't it said early on in Season 1 that there are 8 human models?

12 Models.

 

[LightPhoenix]

That by the way was so stupid I would have thought that considering the hositility the crew felt for Boomer that they would have cleared the hallways before moving her. It was obivious something bad was going to happen.

I don't think they really cared. I don't think they were really going to keep Boomer alive. The only information they got from her was through Baltar, by almost killing a human. Even with such an extreme act, she couldn't provide anything more useful than a number. Dead, they can dissect her and learn a helluva lot more about the human-form Cylons than they could alive.

I still think Starbuck is a b**ch. She is just so unpleasant. And of course she is not only the best pilot ,shot fill in the blank but she can win a pyrmid match against a pro. Oh yeah right she could have played pro but for her bum knee. She is such a Mary Sue type character.

A lot of people have expressed this sentiment, and I don't necessarily disagree. I think the intention is that there were better people at all of those things out there. They just all died when the Cylons attacked - I'm sure they struck military targets first. Starbuck is no doubt a very talented officer, and her ability to do most things better than average, especially with most of the humans dead, makes her better than most. I don't think the show has done a good job of explaining that, but that's the impression I got.

Also, IMO they gave the impression that the "pro" she played wasn't actually that good.