Snarf's Unwarranted Repose- Lazy Law Explained Badly

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
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I am taking a short break from the law-like substance posts. So, I will leave you in the meantime with two things; a brief legal concept, poorly explained. And a request for feedback. If you post a legal-y question below (subject to the terms and conditions at the end of this post), I may answer it in a forthcoming thread. Whether that's a promise, or a threat, is up to you.

Timing matters when it comes to legal claims. For those of you who followed the travails of Dr. Cliff “Jello Pudding Pop” Huxtable, you might have asked yourself a series of questions, such as-
  1. Did Jello Pudding Pops really come in Nyquil flavoring?
  2. Was it legal to wear sweaters that looked like a cat threw up on them?
  3. I was always confused about irony because of that song- is it more like rain on your wedding day, or more like some guy lecturing us about morality and then getting nailed because he was an immoral scumbag, or more like Flannery O’Connor?
  4. Why the heck couldn't Dr. Huxtable be charged with more crimes and sued by more people?
The last question is the easiest to answer, and for that reason, it’s the only one I’ll answer. Briefly put, it’s because of the statute of limitations. Now, most people believe they have an understanding of the statute of limitations from watching television, and, for once, that understanding may be kinda sorta correct. Without getting too technical-y (this is a short post!), the statute of limitations is the amount of time in which an action may be brought. You usually see this in reference to crimes, when someone says, “There is no statute of limitations for [dramatic pause] FIRST DEGREE MURDER!” But other than that, what exactly is a statute of limitations? Well, the brief way to explain this is that it is the way for the Court to say, "Sorry. You're SOL. Took too long to file the lawsuit, bruh." However, there is a little more nuance to it than that.

Different crimes have different statutes of limitations. In a fairly famous case, former FBI agent James Connolly had his conviction for murder in Florida thrown out because it was past the statute of limitations (“SOL”). The jury convicted him not of first degree murder, but of the lesser included charge of second degree murder. Second degree murder was “just” a first degree felony, with an SOL of five years. Since Connolly was charged in 2005 for a 1982 killing, the prosecutors were ... SOL. The lesson, as always, is Florida .... man, if you're worried about Florida Man, wait until you meet Florida Prosecutor.

But in addition to being a hoary device used for criminal procedurals on television, the SOL is important in civil litigation as well. Most civil actions have relatively short SOLs- no more than five years. And sometimes, to discourage certain litigation, the legislature will shorten the SOL for certain classes of litigation- many states have embraced very short SOLs for medical malpractice lawsuits, for example. So if the doctor left his scalpel in you during the surgery, you should probably run, not walk, to an attorney. Um, well, ambulate as quickly as you can with that scalpel.

So there are two things to know about SOLs.
1. A statute of limitations is not inherently unfair. The whole purpose behind them is “you snooze, you lose.” Yes, it can take time to find an attorney, decide to file a lawsuit, and so on. But we are talking about years. A statute of limitations exists both to encourage someone to bring a lawsuit within a reasonable amount of time, but also to preserve the defendant’s right to a fair trial. Memories fade, documents get lost, and a fresh lawsuit, like fresh food, is just better. They exist for a good reason!
2. There are exceptions to the statute of limitations. The most common is called equitable tolling. That’s a fancy way of saying that if the Plaintiff did not, or could not have, discovered the injury that would give rise to the lawsuit until a later date, the SOL is tolled (stopped) until the discovery is made.

A lot of you might have noticed a certain uptick recently in lawsuits alleging certain types of misconduct... let's call this the P. Diddy Effect. The reason for this is that certain states chose to legislatively allow certain lawsuits. For example, New York waived the statute of limitations for one year to allow anyone to file lawsuit alleging sexual assault, regardless of when it occurred.

One final note. While not very common, there is a serial killer relative of the statute of limitations called a statute of repose. A statute of repose is exactly like a statute of limitations, except for one, small, thing. The statute of repose will kill an action dead. Deader than the syndication rights to the Cosby show. There is no escape. The statute of repose can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, or be tolled, ever, until your claim is dead. Because it is so merciless and so harsh, it usually only applies to really important things ... like actions against banks. ahem

With that, I am taking a hiatus from the series, at least until an answer brief is filed in the RPG-adjacent case (see the nuTSR thread). However, if there is interest, I might post an answer thread at some point. If you have any questions that you’d like me to (briefly) address in a forthcoming, comment-answering thread, please post them below. Note the following-
  • Please do not request detailed advice regarding your personal legal situation. I do not care, and I will not offer good advice. And no, “You won’t believe what happened to, um, my best friend when he slipped in the shower, and I’d like to know if he has a claim against the shower head company,” isn’t a good enough dodge, Derek.
  • I am more likely to address general questions about the law, the court system, or ways to kill bards and get away with it.
  • Finally, if the question is legal AND RPG related, then I am very likely to be interested.
Snarf out.
 

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Ryujin

Legend
With all of the "lost memory" lawsuits that were coming out of the woodwork, back in the '80s/'90s, I have often thought that if I was every to be a defendant in such a case, I'd have damned-all ability to defend myself. "Where were you on the 12th day of July, 1973?!" I don't have a clue. Probably not in a courtroom?
 


Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Supporter
IP, Licensing, and what is or is not actually protected, or is that just too much of an issue. I know much digital ink has already been spilled.

... that's a fairly broad topic. If you have something more specific in mind, I might look at it, otherwise (if there are any other requests in here) I might answer it with an overview on why "IP" has distinctions that matter.

Well, in courts. Not so much when we're arguin' on the intertubez.
 

1. A statute of limitations is not inherently unfair.
IN THEORY!!!

In reality an awful lot of SOLs have been inherently unfair in quite obviously grotesque ways. Typically by being excessively short (c.f. the Florida murder example you gave), such that a criminal merely needs to evade justice for a few years to get away with heinous crimes.

There's a particular issue in the UK at the moment, where a 1956 law put a 12-month (!!!!!!!!!) de facto SOL on 13-16-year old girls (not boys or younger girls, which leads to certain extremely creepy implications) reporting stat rape, and didn't get replaced for some years. The police and the CPS (the equivalent of US DAs/Prosecutors but not the equivalent of the USDA, that's DEFRA!) got around this for a while by charging people who committed historic offences with indecent assault, which didn't have an SOL, but our SC equivalent at the time (which had a lot of demonstrably "nonce-adjacent" people it in - purely in terms of friendships/social grouping, to be clear, just a little innocent observation!) stopped them, and said they had to prosecute under a law the SC knew would be ineffective, and so we're having some issues prosecuting cases even where the nonce in question has admitted said historical noncing to the police.

Britain is notable in that it doesn't have any general SOL for criminal cases, and this doesn't seem to cause major problems. Instead it's specific to the offence as to whether it has one. Civil cases generally do and I think are probably similar to US ones (equitable tolling also applies of course - when I did research for a shipping law firm discovering defects late came up a LOT as you can imagine!).
 

Squared

Explorer
  • Finally, if the question is legal AND RPG related, then I am very likely to be interested.

I have really enjoyed these threads, the ones I have seen at least. I always love learning new things, and your particular locution makes the reading extra enjoyable.

Probably not what you meant here, but by RPG related but. In one of my current campaigns, I am a co-GM (round robin style) in, One of the bad guys is a very powerful sorcerer who also runs a law firm, because I wanted to make him as evil as possible of course, The PCs are superpowered supernatural investigators in 1985 Detroit.

The PCs currently have a restraining order on them preventing them from going to the law offices after they rifled around through some papers. The BBEG also had some corrupt police officers beat each other up and implicate one of the PCs to sully his name as he is also a police officer.

Keeping that in mind, what are some other lawfare tactics that can be used to make the PCs lives more difficult?

Or more generally, given a contemporary setting, what are the broader implications and considerations that would go into lawfare?

^2
 

Staffan

Legend
I have really enjoyed these threads, the ones I have seen at least. I always love learning new things, and your particular locution makes the reading extra enjoyable.

Probably not what you meant here, but by RPG related but. In one of my current campaigns, I am a co-GM (round robin style) in, One of the bad guys is a very powerful sorcerer who also runs a law firm, because I wanted to make him as evil as possible of course, The PCs are superpowered supernatural investigators in 1985 Detroit.

The PCs currently have a restraining order on them preventing them from going to the law offices after they rifled around through some papers. The BBEG also had some corrupt police officers beat each other up and implicate one of the PCs to sully his name as he is also a police officer.

Keeping that in mind, what are some other lawfare tactics that can be used to make the PCs lives more difficult?

Or more generally, given a contemporary setting, what are the broader implications and considerations that would go into lawfare?

^2
I'm just sayin', if you're looking for supernatural legal shenanigans, you could do a lot worse than the TV show Angel.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Supporter
I have really enjoyed these threads, the ones I have seen at least. I always love learning new things, and your particular locution makes the reading extra enjoyable.

Probably not what you meant here, but by RPG related but. In one of my current campaigns, I am a co-GM (round robin style) in, One of the bad guys is a very powerful sorcerer who also runs a law firm, because I wanted to make him as evil as possible of course, The PCs are superpowered supernatural investigators in 1985 Detroit.

The PCs currently have a restraining order on them preventing them from going to the law offices after they rifled around through some papers. The BBEG also had some corrupt police officers beat each other up and implicate one of the PCs to sully his name as he is also a police officer.

Keeping that in mind, what are some other lawfare tactics that can be used to make the PCs lives more difficult?

Or more generally, given a contemporary setting, what are the broader implications and considerations that would go into lawfare?

^2

So, while I concur with @Staffan (the show Angel has some interesting takes on the supernatural law firm Wolfram & Hart .... love that name), lawfare can be used in mundane ways if there are evil attorneys.

Some ideas-
1. Do the PCs own any land? Well, they can place liens and quiet title and find ways to take the land.
2. Do the PCs have family members? They can do all of the evil law activities against them, effectively making them penniless. In some jurisdictions, they can even get them jailed.
3. They can gin up some kind of involuntary commitment proceeding, and get the PCs committed against their will.
4. They can file civil lawsuits and tie them up in court dates. And discovery / depositions.
5. They can get additional TROs that involve not just the place, but all the people. They can also do it as harrassing / stalking. If they're really evil, they can have other witnesses file false criminal complaints.
6. In combination with the TROs, they can get orders to prevent the PCs from carrying weapons. Or owning them.
7. If the PCs are licensed investigators, the law firm can have their license revoked.
8. If the PCs have a PI business, the law firm can get their business license revoked so they can't operate the business.
9. If the business is on land that the PCs own, see (1). If they are tenants, then the law firm could work with the landlord and evict them.

Again, I want to stress that this is not how the law does work. But the ways in which an evil (and perhaps supernatural) law firm could go after you are limited only to your imagination.

Next, I appreciate your love for the posts. And for your sins, I will give you a compendium of Snarf's lawsplainers and/or other posts that touch on the law. And now that I've seen them all laid out like that ... I need to charge more, so I can buy a life.















 

Ryujin

Legend
So, while I concur with @Staffan (the show Angel has some interesting takes on the supernatural law firm Wolfram & Hart .... love that name), lawfare can be used in mundane ways if there are evil attorneys.

Some ideas-
1. Do the PCs own any land? Well, they can place liens and quiet title and find ways to take the land.
2. Do the PCs have family members? They can do all of the evil law activities against them, effectively making them penniless. In some jurisdictions, they can even get them jailed.
3. They can gin up some kind of involuntary commitment proceeding, and get the PCs committed against their will.
4. They can file civil lawsuits and tie them up in court dates. And discovery / depositions.
5. They can get additional TROs that involve not just the place, but all the people. They can also do it as harrassing / stalking. If they're really evil, they can have other witnesses file false criminal complaints.
6. In combination with the TROs, they can get orders to prevent the PCs from carrying weapons. Or owning them.
7. If the PCs are licensed investigators, the law firm can have their license revoked.
8. If the PCs have a PI business, the law firm can get their business license revoked so they can't operate the business.
9. If the business is on land that the PCs own, see (1). If they are tenants, then the law firm could work with the landlord and evict them.

Again, I want to stress that this is not how the law does work. But the ways in which an evil (and perhaps supernatural) law firm could go after you are limited only to your imagination.

Next, I appreciate your love for the posts. And for your sins, I will give you a compendium of Snarf's lawsplainers and/or other posts that touch on the law. And now that I've seen them all laid out like that ... I need to charge more, so I can buy a life.















If the PCs rent then it's likely much easier for the law firm to become their landlord either by outright purchase, buying debt and calling it due, etc..
 

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