RangerWickett said:
Unless the writers come up with something else, I think there is some kind of hidden code in the Cylons programing they are not aware of that is holding them back.
And I think it will be Dea or Gaeta.
Battlestar Speculation
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Unless the writers come up with something else, I think there is some kind of hidden code in the Cylons programing they are not aware of that is holding them back.
And I think it will be Dea or Gaeta.
Dark Psion
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My theory on the "Final Five" is that they do not Resurrect, they Reincarnate.
Where the other Cylons resurrect again and again into the same forms over and over, the Final Five reincarnate into human bodies and live different lives with each one.
Maybe this why they are seen as "Figures of Light" in the visions, because they are being of pure thought and intellect, which would bookend nicely with the Original Battlestar Galactica Beings of Light from the episode "War of the Gods".
Where the other Cylons resurrect again and again into the same forms over and over, the Final Five reincarnate into human bodies and live different lives with each one.
Maybe this why they are seen as "Figures of Light" in the visions, because they are being of pure thought and intellect, which would bookend nicely with the Original Battlestar Galactica Beings of Light from the episode "War of the Gods".
RangerWickett said:
Since Anders, Saul, and Tyrol were leaders of the resistance against the Cylons on New Caprica, I always have thought that the Final Five not only do not agree with the other Cylons, but are assisting Humanity.
You would be correct, if they wanted to destroy humanity, they had their chance already.
Perhaps they are also assisted by the "gods", and are getting instructions from them.
Ah, who knows, let's just enjoy the ride.
Volaran
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RangerWickett said:
Well, the 12 colonies were a stationary target they attacked with complete surprise, and whose ships they were able to disable.
The fleet, for the most part, just jumps away, and barring instances where the cylons have something specific to track (the Olympic Carrier in 33, and the refinery ship in Crossroads are good examples), it seems to take quite a bit of time for cylon scouts to find them again.
When the colonials have turned and fought (Hand of God, Resurrection Ship and Exodus), they usually had surprise, were engaging a stationary target (Hand of God), had near equal numbers against a fairly small cylon force (Resurrection ship), or went in with a fairly good idea that they likely would not come back, and lost Pegasus in the process (Exodus).
The only other instance (Eye of Jupiter, Rapture) of a standoff between Colonials and the Cylons had nothing to do with colonial military might, but hinged on Adama threatening to nuke something the cylons wanted. The Eye.
Even in that last case, one of the Brother Cavils certainly pointed out that the cylons are machines, and there should be no reason they couldn't just kill all the humans, and find earth in their own good time. He seemed to be voted down.
I do think the cylons want Earth, and there is no reason to not just keep following Galactica for that purpose. I believe RDM has also hinted that several parts of the cylon fleet are engaged in other actions, which may come into play in the new Season. I don't actually have a direct reference for that though, so I'm considering that as speculation rather than a spoiler.
Now that I think about it, Baltar would also make a great choice. After all the "you are not a Cylon" talk from the No. 6 vision, he does turn out to be one.
Another topic would be the "Who will not make it to Earth" talk. Ronald Moore hinted very strongly in the small special the other night that Roslin's cancer isn't going away. If she isn't a Cylon, she could die before/after reaching Earth.
Adama, a strong father figure, if he isn't a Cylon, could become a victim of cliches and die in a last battle against the Cylons.
And what about all the visions? Baltar, No 6, Roslin, Starbuck, Tyrol all have had visions. Roslin's could be tied into the fact she had a treatment with Hera's blood, tying her to the others. Now that I think about it, Roslin also saw Baltar in her vision in the opera house, but why wasn't Baltar questioned about them?
Another topic would be the "Who will not make it to Earth" talk. Ronald Moore hinted very strongly in the small special the other night that Roslin's cancer isn't going away. If she isn't a Cylon, she could die before/after reaching Earth.
Adama, a strong father figure, if he isn't a Cylon, could become a victim of cliches and die in a last battle against the Cylons.
And what about all the visions? Baltar, No 6, Roslin, Starbuck, Tyrol all have had visions. Roslin's could be tied into the fact she had a treatment with Hera's blood, tying her to the others. Now that I think about it, Roslin also saw Baltar in her vision in the opera house, but why wasn't Baltar questioned about them?
Thornir Alekeg
Albatross!
I believe that part of the reason the cylons have not destroyed the last remaining humans is some of the cylons fear they need them. The cylons cannot breed among themselves so they need humans in order to grow.
There is a lot of trouble being made to possess Hera, the first cylon-human offspring. Of course we now know there is another - Callie (sp?) and the Chief's child.
This also leads to my confident belief that Adama is not the final cylon. If he was, then Apollo (and his dead brother) would be a cylon-human child. On another "meta" level, I say it cannot be Adama because they are still planning on that other series featuring a young Adama and his family. If he were the final cylon, the premise of that show would be pretty different.
On another note, Tighe and Adama have known each other for more than 30 years. That would imply that Tighe was inserted into human society a lot earlier than most of the other humanform cylons.
I wonder, do the humanform cylons age? The "original" seven models we've seen I would say do not since they are all identical - it seems unlikely they would have created all the bodies at the same time. Perhaps the final five are different in that they were actually created as infants who grew and aged, otherwise somebody might have noticed that Tighe looked like an old man when Adama met him and never grew older over 30+ years of friendship.
There is a lot of trouble being made to possess Hera, the first cylon-human offspring. Of course we now know there is another - Callie (sp?) and the Chief's child.
This also leads to my confident belief that Adama is not the final cylon. If he was, then Apollo (and his dead brother) would be a cylon-human child. On another "meta" level, I say it cannot be Adama because they are still planning on that other series featuring a young Adama and his family. If he were the final cylon, the premise of that show would be pretty different.
On another note, Tighe and Adama have known each other for more than 30 years. That would imply that Tighe was inserted into human society a lot earlier than most of the other humanform cylons.
I wonder, do the humanform cylons age? The "original" seven models we've seen I would say do not since they are all identical - it seems unlikely they would have created all the bodies at the same time. Perhaps the final five are different in that they were actually created as infants who grew and aged, otherwise somebody might have noticed that Tighe looked like an old man when Adama met him and never grew older over 30+ years of friendship.
GoodKingJayIII
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I think there are a few reasons the cylons have not wiped out humanity, mainly because they want to find Earth. After that, I'm sure they'd happily wipe everyone out.
As for Roslin, I really don't see her as a cylon. Were the writers and producers to go in that direction, I think they will have failed on several levels. There are too many allusions to her as Moses, the prophet who leads the people to the promised land but cannot join them in it. She is almost certainly going to die before they reach Earth, likely on the very last leg of the journey. To make her a cylon would be silly.
As for Roslin, I really don't see her as a cylon. Were the writers and producers to go in that direction, I think they will have failed on several levels. There are too many allusions to her as Moses, the prophet who leads the people to the promised land but cannot join them in it. She is almost certainly going to die before they reach Earth, likely on the very last leg of the journey. To make her a cylon would be silly.
cignus_pfaccari
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Volaran said:
Yep. They also seemed to have planned for the virus to not work, as they certainly appeared to have overwhelming force on their side, just in case.
Yep, again. Basically, space is BIG, and light moves only so fast. Without any clue where someone went, the Cylons have to send their raiders out in a search pattern, looking for emissions and other signatures. They do have a lot of raiders which can cycle their drives pretty quickly, *but* if they have to search every star system in a sphere defined by the colonial drives' jump radius, that's still a lot of territory.
Details are lacking on the FTL drives they use, like if they only work in a gravity well around a star or not, or if it's just a psychological thing that the humans like to have a star nearby. Adding the interstellar gulfs into the search criteria would mean that the humans would almost never be found (though there's not much to, say, mine or do there...). There are some indications that you can track a jump, or at least get an idea of the direction, though I may be misinterpreting a poorly remembered line from the Pegasus episode.
Brad
