Gul Dukat was a the bad guy you liked going up against, he was clever, charming, witty and dangerous and made it seem like he was having fun at the same time.
Best Star Trek: DS9 Antagonists
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I was torn between Kai Wynn and Gul Dukat. And both were favorite characters of mine. I love the way Kai Wynn managed to twist and mantipulate things so she came out on top at almost every encounter.
I voted for Dukat because I always found him to be a very complex character. On one hand he did some really horrible things when he ran the station yet seveeral episodes showed him to be a patriot to his world. Like when he stoood up agains tthe obsedion order. Up until he went crazy I really felt that he cared what became of Cardassia.
Then there was the relentionship with his half bajorian daughter. He loved her and wanted what was best for her even if that meant learing about her bajorian hertiage.
And we all know that he had the hots in a major way for Kira.
I voted for Dukat because I always found him to be a very complex character. On one hand he did some really horrible things when he ran the station yet seveeral episodes showed him to be a patriot to his world. Like when he stoood up agains tthe obsedion order. Up until he went crazy I really felt that he cared what became of Cardassia.
Then there was the relentionship with his half bajorian daughter. He loved her and wanted what was best for her even if that meant learing about her bajorian hertiage.
And we all know that he had the hots in a major way for Kira.
Orius
Unrepentant DM Supremacist
I didn't like what they ended up doing with Wynn either. Even though she started out as a sort of religious fanatic, she was starting to come around to the point where she was more tolerant towards the Federation. And even though she did always have that resentment towards Sisko, I felt it was out of character for her to go over to the side of the Pah Wraiths.
Welverin
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Lord Pendragon said:
Vigilance said:
I have to completely disagree with the both of you on Kai Wynn, I believe she always was a complete hypocrite. From her very first appearance in the show she showed herself to be a thoroughly despicable, power hungry
solely interested in better herself with no real concern for the people or belief in her religion.When I rewatched the show last summer, I was shocked at how downright evil she was right from the beginning. I had forgotten that, and thought it was something that had developed over the course of the season.
Welverin said:I have to completely disagree with the both of you on Kai Wynn, I believe she always was a complete hypocrite. From her very first appearance in the show she showed herself to be a thoroughly despicable, power hungry
When I rewatched the show last summer, I was shocked at how downright evil she was right from the beginning. I had forgotten that, and thought it was something that had developed over the course of the season.
She was always a power hungry woman I do think that she believed in her religion but she also used it to get ahead.
(Psi)SeveredHead
Adventurer
This one was hard to vote on - there were so many cool villains to choose from.
The Changelings were cool. So was Section 31. So was Weyoun 4+. Even the Jem'Hadar were cool, but their willingness to commit suicide irritated me, and the Alpha Jem'Hadar were so stupid I can't believe anyone thought they could be superior. I had to go with the Gul, however. He was there for so long and many of his decisions would seriously screw the Federation.
I think the Breen should count more as a plot device than villains. You couldn't tell them apart (only one was named for the whole series), they were created to tick off the Cardassians and kick Federation behind a few times (because all of a sudden the Jem'Hadar turned into wimps) and they had that Jem'Hadar suicidal tendency. Why did they hate the Federation so much?
The Changelings were cool. So was Section 31. So was Weyoun 4+. Even the Jem'Hadar were cool, but their willingness to commit suicide irritated me, and the Alpha Jem'Hadar were so stupid I can't believe anyone thought they could be superior. I had to go with the Gul, however. He was there for so long and many of his decisions would seriously screw the Federation.
I think the Breen should count more as a plot device than villains. You couldn't tell them apart (only one was named for the whole series), they were created to tick off the Cardassians and kick Federation behind a few times (because all of a sudden the Jem'Hadar turned into wimps) and they had that Jem'Hadar suicidal tendency. Why did they hate the Federation so much?
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Aaron L
Hero
Welverin said:I have to completely disagree with the both of you on Kai Wynn, I believe she always was a complete hypocrite. From her very first appearance in the show she showed herself to be a thoroughly despicable, power hungry
When I rewatched the show last summer, I was shocked at how downright evil she was right from the beginning. I had forgotten that, and thought it was something that had developed over the course of the season.
I completely agree. On her first appearance she tried ro assassinate Vedic Berial! She was an evil, hypocritical witch from the very beginning. She didnt change a bit, she just lied a lot.
Mustrum_Ridcully
Legend
Wasn't Worf complementing to work with the Breen? Maybe because Sisko convinced him to stay, the Breen began to hate the Federation?(Psi)SeveredHead said:
But I assume the real reason was that they saw a chance for gaining power, just as Cardassia did.
Lord Pendragon
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Kai Wynn had two powerful motivations when she was introduced. Her desire for power, and her belief in the Prophets. Both were present from the very beginning, and both helped motivate her to commit her first villainy, the assassination of Vedik Borial. She truly did believe he was the wrong man to become Kai. She felt at that point that Sisko was not the Emissary, and that allying Bajor with the Federation was a poor move. She truly did believe she was the right woman for the job. And her hunger for power pushed her into acting on those beliefs to a villainous extreme.Welverin said:I have to completely disagree with the both of you on Kai Wynn, I believe she always was a complete hypocrite. From her very first appearance in the show she showed herself to be a thoroughly despicable, power hungry
When I rewatched the show last summer, I was shocked at how downright evil she was right from the beginning. I had forgotten that, and thought it was something that had developed over the course of the season.
As the series progresses, however, we see her conviction that Sisko is not the Emissary challenged again and again until, finally, she is forced to accept that he is indeed the Emissary (when Sisko reveals the location of a lost Bajoran holy site.) Here she starts to become lost. If Sisko is indeed the Emissary, then she's been working against the Prophets' wishes all this time. Until this point, she's always seen herself as the heroine, as a champion of her people, protecting them against a false prophet. Now, she is faced with the terrible idea that she has been leading her people away from the Prophets' path. That she is the false prophet, the anathema she's been battling all this time.
Enter the Pah Wraiths. They play on all of her weaknesses. They offer her another explanation. That the Prophets were never Bajor's true gods in the first place. That it is the Prophets who are evil, and the Pah Wraiths who love and nurture Bajor. And they want her to be their confidante.
In a stroke they offer her a way to view her life, not as a betrayal of all she holds dear, but once again as a righteous path taken against unjust opposition. Even though she didn't know it at the time, she had always been acting in Bajor's best interests, because although Sisko might be the true Emissary, he is the Emissary of false gods. And that makes everything she's done to oppose him right. On top of that, the Wraiths offer her a place of importance again.
It's a terrible trial. A stronger woman might have seen through the lies, might have recognized the devil's bargain the Pah Wraiths held out to her, and rejected the false justification. Unfortunately for her, Wynn was never good at piercing self-delusions. She wanted to believe what the Wraiths were saying, and so she did.
Only at the very end did she really accept the truth. Only then did she recognize what she had been and done. And she did try to make it right, for what that's worth.
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Lord Pendragon
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I'm curious. Did you watch the entire series? If so, you should also remember a few good episodes centered on Wynn and Major Kira that illustrated the complexity of the Wynn character. Borial's lover and Sisko's trusted ally, Major Kira at first believes Kai Wynn is the embodiment of evil. But she is forced to consider the possibility that Wynn is not so easily labeled.Welverin said:
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