Biggest 4E PHB complaint...

[ProfessorCirno]

There's a difference between disagreeing and taking offense.

So you disagree with my personal tastes in disliking the format of the book?

Seriously?

 

[The Little Raven]

So you disagree with my personal tastes in disliking the format of the book?

No, we disagree with the classification of the classes chapter as a Great Wall (implying that it's some kind of insurmountable barrier).

 

[hong]

Are you being sarcastic, or deliberately obtuse?

Many players could quite happily go months or years or forever without needing to read through the 9th level druid spells.

Many 4E players can quite happily go months or years without needing to read through the 27th level warlock spells. OTOH, having all the powers readily at hand when you're making your first ranger is very nice, as opposed to flipping to the back of the book.

The inclusion of the spell lists in the middle of the book, before you got to the meat of the game -- the mechanics of combat, especially -- would have been a mistake. Same as including the powers list before the meat of the book. It drowns the newbie user in tons of boring crap, the rules for half of which hadn't even been explained yet.

This is why you have "chapters".

 

[hong]

So you disagree with my personal tastes in disliking the format of the book?

Seriously?

Indeed, it is possible for people with different tastes to disagree. Behold the wonder of discourse.

 

[Doug McCrae]

This Great Wall is a pretty straightforward issue.

Advantage: No flipping back and forth while creating a character.
Disadvantage: Great wall of hard to read text in centre of book.

However I think the disadvantage is minor because who starts reading the PHB at page 1 and keeps going until page 317? This is how you read a novel, not a textbook.

 

[SSquirrel]

I seriously don't know how you guys see any similarity between the two races, other than the fact they both have tails.

This.

 

[SSquirrel]

The great wall of spells was broken down by classs and by level of the spell, making it easy to deal with. Didnt have to worry about spells of higher level till later unless I wanted to go read them.

The great wall of powers is not. No index, no reference.

Until you got to 3E, when it was purely alphabetical. I have a personal preference for having all the class powers w/the class. A quick glance at the front will tell you to skip about 170 pages in to get past the characters.