Black Widow

Stalker0

Legend
So if you want my one real complaint with the movie I’ll go to spoilers:

Taskmaster is criminally underused in this movie. With such a cool and unique power I was hoping for some really interesting fights…watching nat fight “Hawkeye” than “cap” than “black panther” kind of thing.

but no fights are extremely short with just a few moves. Hell if they had removed taskmaster from the movie I probably wouldn’t have cared.

and my one nitpick in this movie…gravity. There is a scene early in the morning where nat falls off a building and hits several scaffolding’s on the way down….hard, and they make it sound hard and brutal. She gets up without a scratch…which was just a bit much for our “mortal avenger”
 
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Ryujin

Legend
Loki is well done. Thanos is less so.

Thanos' plan doesn't hold up to 30 seconds of scrutiny. Which is fine, if you make it clear he really is the "Mad Titan". But they don't do that.
Loki is a villain, with hopes, desires, and motivations. Thanos is more like a force of nature; it's going to happen and there's no reasoning with it.
 

Steampunkette

Rules Tinkerer and Freelance Writer
Supporter
Saw it in theater as a Matinee yesterday.

It was good? Nothing thrilling or crazy great. I thought the actress portraying Yelena did a fantastic job of providing pathos and developing her storyline which will, of course, continue into the next leg of the MCU. The rest of the acting was pretty good and it's nice to see Natasha in form as a spy and stuff rather than just tagging along with superheroes.

Taskmaster was presented as a real and realistic threat, though once again the Marvel Directors forget what Superstrength is on the Red Guardian, who does a bunch of absolutely great stuff with David Harbour's marvelous screen presence... but ultimately he winds up looking like he's either a trash fighter or massively pulling his punches because his fight scenes don't involve people getting punched across rooms constantly.

The twists are really nice and strong when they show up. I feel like acknowledging there's twists in a spy movie isn't really a spoiler, but I'm not going to elucidate on them except that I think they were well executed. I sincerely did not see two of them coming. There's also some nice notes dropped here and there across the movie which are pretty great and indicate either some Multiverse Shenanigans, Time Travel Shenanigans, or False Identity Shenanigans which I'm -here- for...

Overall it was pretty good. Kind of like every Marvel movie has to be. And it very nicely sets up the new Black Widow going forward.
 

Stalker0

Legend
Which is fine, if you make it clear he really is the "Mad Titan". But they don't do that.
That’s part of why I enjoyed thanos, he’s not the stereotypical crazy person, but he is still quite mad.

As you say, anyone can pick the flaws in his plan, and yet he carries it forward with absolute conviction. But more than that, he truly believes the universe will thank him for it!!!

i mean that’s nuts…because thanos is nuts. But he’s functionally nuts, and extremely charismatic…a very dangerous combination. He’s more like a cult leader.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
That’s part of why I enjoyed thanos, he’s not the stereotypical crazy person, but he is still quite mad.

I don't require him to be stereotypical, especially because stereotypical movie maddess is insulting to folks who suffer mental illness. I don't require that Thanos himself act in a wacky-clown-nose manner. That'd be dumb.

I need someone in the movie to point out that HIS PLAN WON'T WORK. That would demonstrate that he's mad. Unfortunately, not a single person mentions this fact, so he ends up presenting not as mad, but fanatical, which is a different beast.
 

pukunui

Legend
So I took my younger two daughters to see it this afternoon.

I'm still processing, and I would like to see it again, but not in the theater. I'll wait till it's out of premium access on Disney+.

As a father of three daughters, I was pleased that they got to watch a movie full of women kicking some serious butt. I hope that this movie does well enough at the box office to show the old white dudes in Hollywood that women can indeed carry an action movie. My daughters need more movies like this one.

If I had to find a fault with the movie, it's that they went with the whole "ensemble of bad-ass women plus a dopey man" routine.
 
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Levistus's_Leviathan

5e Freelancer
My family watched it today. I think we mostly enjoyed it. I liked it, but it wasn't anything remarkable for an MCU movie. I really liked the backstory part of the movie, as I thought that was really good, but the rest of it was kinda . . . just fine. Absolutely watchable, it's great that we finally have a movie for Black Widow (we need more well-made female-led superhero movies!), and it was thoroughly enjoyable, but it wasn't anything special and I was disappointed by some parts of it (Taskmaster being underused, so many good/serious moments being interrupted by an action scene or joke, the characters seeming invincible, and the physics-breaking 3rd act).

So, yeah, it was fine. I liked it (as is typical with the MCU), but it wasn't amazing.
 


DammitVictor

Druid of the Invisible Hand
I'm calling it in the top half of the MCU-- which is not faint praise!-- but not top shelf. What was good was very, very good but the parts that didn't land dragged the whole thing down a bit.
 

Enjoyed it, would watch it again, some nice minor twists & turns and a Bourne / Mission Impossible / James Bond type vibe with touches of humour as well as some dark moments, three point eight recurring out of five?
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Just saw it and I really liked it. Of course it was much lower powered than what we've become use to in the MCU but it fit as a Spy movie. I'd rate it better than the Ironman movies and better than Age of Ultron.
Talking about spy movies I thought the villain here worked well for a spy movie, the scheme was very Bond-like and suitably vile.

Yelena (Florence Pugh) was the best character and the movie really was a hand over to the new 'Black Widow". The relationship between the sisters was great and I would have focussed on that more (and dropped the parents). It might have worked better as a series rather than a movie.
I agree that Task Master was criminally underused, the photographic reflexes werent really explored and we didnt get a cool mirror fight, in fact there werent any very good fights in the whole movie.

the best part of the movie though was OT Fagbenle, I cant wait to see him back again in Thunderbolts or Dark Avengers :)
 
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Black Widow! StreamedDisney+.

Liked it (save the standard overblown Marvel flick action set piece ending, which I was bored of about 18 movies ago!)

Florence Pugh is really good. Reminded me a lot of Jodie Comer in Killing Eve.

Make sure to watch the after credits bit.

Question: BW doesn’t actually have superpowers, right? First half of the film she kept receiving injuries which would kill her instantly and brushing them off with a slight bruise. Like bone crackinginly back breakingly bouncing off railings and stuff during a hundred foot fall, her car exploding and she has a couple of smudges, more than one really vicious car wreck. Which is fine, that’s the type of film it is, but I was curious if she has enhanced durability?

Preferred the family dynamic stuff to the action, generally.
 

Nikosandros

Golden Procrastinator
I just came back home from watching it and I enjoyed it, even if it was a bit rushed at times.

I feel that this movie does come a bit late for me. I wish that we could have gotten a Black Widow movie earlier, but alas the character has been wasted a bit, IMHO, in the MCU.
 


Ryujin

Legend
Black Widow! StreamedDisney+.

Liked it (save the standard overblown Marvel flick action set piece ending, which I was bored of about 18 movies ago!)

Florence Pugh is really good. Reminded me a lot of Jodie Comer in Killing Eve.

Make sure to watch the after credits bit.

Question: BW doesn’t actually have superpowers, right? First half of the film she kept receiving injuries which would kill her instantly and brushing them off with a slight bruise. Like bone crackinginly back breakingly bouncing off railings and stuff during a hundred foot fall, her car exploding and she has a couple of smudges, more than one really vicious car wreck. Which is fine, that’s the type of film it is, but I was curious if she has enhanced durability?

Preferred the family dynamic stuff to the action, generally.
In some versions of the character, over the years, she has received a Russian version of Cap's super serum.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Black Widow! StreamedDisney+.

Liked it (save the standard overblown Marvel flick action set piece ending, which I was bored of about 18 movies ago!)

Florence Pugh is really good. Reminded me a lot of Jodie Comer in Killing Eve.

Make sure to watch the after credits bit.

Question: BW doesn’t actually have superpowers, right? First half of the film she kept receiving injuries which would kill her instantly and brushing them off with a slight bruise. Like bone crackinginly back breakingly bouncing off railings and stuff during a hundred foot fall, her car exploding and she has a couple of smudges, more than one really vicious car wreck. Which is fine, that’s the type of film it is, but I was curious if she has enhanced durability?

Preferred the family dynamic stuff to the action, generally.
I dont recall if its ever been stated outright in the MCU but in the comics she received a variant of the supersoldier serum. For the movie I did wonder when Melina mentions Natasha having been taken by Draykov because of her Genetic capability (or something?), if that was a hint of her being more than normal human (I guess now we'll never know).

Even without it I just shrugged off her surviving the fall as being due to superior training and peak level agility, surviving car crashes is standard action movie physics
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Even without it I just shrugged off her surviving the fall as being due to superior training and peak level agility, surviving car crashes is standard action movie physics
It is, but this went waaaaaaaaaaay beyond Bond-level endurance. It was definitely superhuman (and very superhuman at that). The trauma is depicted as being quite real and brutal, more so than in most Marvel films where the violence is more cartoony, but she shrugs it off.
 

pukunui

Legend
It is, but this went waaaaaaaaaaay beyond Bond-level endurance. It was definitely superhuman (and very superhuman at that). The trauma is depicted as being quite real and brutal, more so than in most Marvel films where the violence is more cartoony, but she shrugs it off.
Agreed. Especially since that scene contrasted Nat's ability to survive a fall with very little harm with that other widow's inability to do so. She had a very clearly broken leg and was so incapacitated that Dreykov forced her to kill herself. Admittedly, the widow fell straight down to the ground, whereas Nat hit a few things on the way down, but the way in which she hit those things made it seem like she should have been much worse off than the widow.


Having only recently watched The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, I did enjoy how this film also took more time to slow down and dig into the character interactions. Those were definitely the best part for me. I loved the whole exploration of family in this film, both in the context of Nat's "fake" spy family and in the context of the Red Room.

I agree that Florence Pugh stole the show, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of her in the MCU.
 

Stalker0

Legend
It is, but this went waaaaaaaaaaay beyond Bond-level endurance. It was definitely superhuman (and very superhuman at that). The trauma is depicted as being quite real and brutal, more so than in most Marvel films where the violence is more cartoony, but she shrugs it off.
Yeah this was one of my pet peeves, they made that fall in the beginning sound BRUTAL, like i winched at the scene…and she shakes it off.

while the comics have had versions of nat that are superhuman, MCU has never once claimed her to have superpowers.

and I don’t just mean her backstory, if she was doing superhero level things “in story”…you would have expected other avengers to have commented on it by now.
 

Marc_C

Solitary Role Playing
Black Widow! StreamedDisney+.

Liked it (save the standard overblown Marvel flick action set piece ending, which I was bored of about 18 movies ago!)

Florence Pugh is really good. Reminded me a lot of Jodie Comer in Killing Eve.

Make sure to watch the after credits bit.

Question: BW doesn’t actually have superpowers, right? First half of the film she kept receiving injuries which would kill her instantly and brushing them off with a slight bruise. Like bone crackinginly back breakingly bouncing off railings and stuff during a hundred foot fall, her car exploding and she has a couple of smudges, more than one really vicious car wreck. Which is fine, that’s the type of film it is, but I was curious if she has enhanced durability?

Preferred the family dynamic stuff to the action, generally.
In the rapid image montage of her training I saw a close up of an injection with a liquid that could be super serum.
 

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