Book of Vile Darkness

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Re: Monte Obsessed? I don't think so!

CBS Brian said:
Simply put, you're so wrong, ignorant, and out of line you owe Monte Cook an apology.
Speaking of wrong or ignorant, you're ignoring everything he wrote in the industry before the release of 3e.
 

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Re: Monte Obsessed? I don't think so!

CBS Brian said:
Dr. Midnight, you say MC has an unhealthy fascination with evil.
Uh, I never said he has an unhealthy fascination with evil. Look again.

Originally posted by CBS Brian Simply put, you're so wrong, ignorant, and out of line you owe Monte Cook an apology.
I'll wait for yours, first. :D
 
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I for one will be buying it. For one thing I like Monte's work so I don't think I'll hate it and second unlike alot of you, I'll be starting to DM my First actual campaign soon. So I while I can come up with villains and such why shouldn't I use the resources of someone whose been DM'ing alot longer then me. There are going to be ideas in this book that I'd probably never have, and since my players have known me forever it'll help me surprise them. And that's my main reason for buying this book, my players watch, read, listen to pretty much the same things I do so I need to go outside our likes etc for inspiration. I could just read or watch things I don't like, or I could buy a book of one authors distilled villainous inspirations, especially one whose work I already respect.

Dakeyras
 

Wolfen Priest said:
I was 12; my parents had to buy me the books. If it starts to scare away soccer moms with fears of satanism and dark rituals, guess what? The hobby will lose gamers, period. Or else the people who take it up will become even more distanced from 'mainstream' society.

This is my fear as well. I was blessed with parents who pretty much trusted me and didn't over-react when I brought home a copy of "Arcanum" (which, for reference, had a pentagram cover like R&R). Other parents of would-be gamers out there might not be so tolerant.

I think gaming is a worthwhile hobby, mentally engaging and a lot healthier than a lot of other activities youngsters could be involved with these days. I would hate to see that all go to pot because someone felt like pushing the issue on what to include in a variety of popular books.

Not that I think or know that BovD is pushing it, of course.
 

Re: Monte Obsessed? I don't think so!

CBS Brian said:
Dr. Midnight, you say MC has an unhealthy fascination with evil. OK, let's look at the "evil" products he's produced.

You forgot about Return to the Temple of Elemental EEEEVIILLLL!

Seriously though, it is true that Monte _has_ been focused on darker, horror genre roleplaying as of late. There isn't anything wrong with that!

Personally, I don't mix too much horror into my D&D game. A little, yes, but not a lot. As an analogy: I don't have a problem with hand crossbows, complex seige weaponry or even a little bit of gunpowder in my game, but steampunk is not something that I would introduce to D&D. A d20 steampunk game? Sure! But not a steampunk supplement for D&D. By the same token, I think a d20 horror game is cooler than a supplement to introduce horror into D&D. It's just a personal preference really.

Balsamic Dragon
 

The most enthusiastic and eager player I know has a family full of people who denounce D&D so much that they prohibited him from watching the damn cartoon. How much worse can you get?

I seriously doubt that any word leaking out about this book (especially with all the tip-toeing that WotC seems to be engaging in for it) is going to compromise gaming in any way. I don't think it's going to stop parents from buying Pokémon cards for their kids because of the association of WotC with EVIL.

Parents probably worried a WHOLE lot more about the Diablo phenomenon.
 

My point, exactly, Psion.

Regardless of the vile stuff already out (the Green Ronin books for example) the BoVD will have the D&D logo squarely on its cover. This means linking that material to the game in a very definate way.

As a personal note, my mother thought D&D was the work of satan based upon what her church group said. She was surprised to hear that I played it. I explained to her the entire concept and the myths and rumours and their origination. She said, 'oh, that's not so bad' and left me to it. Would she have said that if she knew about the BoVD?

As another point, my FLGS places a little 1'x1' card on the D&D shelf explaining to parents the wheres and why-fores of D&D and how it benefits your child (the three R's) and can be a family activity. The BoVD will throw the good that comes of that practice out the window, as it blatantly proclaims its contents and cover under a D&D logo. Welcome back to the '80s and the concept that D&D is for sociopathic rejects with a disgusting fascination with the profane.

Yeah, a lot of you don't give a rats a33 what the other people of the world think. This attitude, of course, exacerbates the problem and perpetuates the 'sociopath nerd' stereotype, but the real point is that the world doesn't work like that anymore. You can't depend on people just forgetting the thing exists like you could before the advent of the internet. Fact is, with society as 'hooked in' as it is, you can bet that a media frenzy will descend on the game as soon as some depressed teen kills some classmates and they find the BoVD in his room. Then Hasbro will drop it and you can kiss D&D goodbye, because it hasn't become mainstream enough to survive such attacks, unlike computer games. And why hasn't it? Because some of you don't want it to be.

Is the above example extreme? Maybe. But so are a lot of other 'hysterical historical events' that ruined many great things (Muslims blowing up ancient budhist art, for example). Call me 'prophet of doom' or whatever you will, but I think one should take a bigger picture view on the way our hobby is percieved in society, especially todays 'think less, accept what the news tells you' society. Greater things than D&D have gone the way of the Giant Space hamster for lesser offenses...
 
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Nathanael said:
Call me 'prophet of doom' or whatever you will, but I think one should take a bigger picture view on the way our hobby is percieved in society...

Here is the way I see it-

I am a rather conservative fellow and have in the past started some annoyingly long discussions on my feelings about why I don't play evil pc's and don't allow my players to do so when I dm.

I will be the first to stand up and protest this book if it is as bad as a lot of people are making it out to be.

BUT- I am not chicken little. I will not let my concerns dictate my actions or feelings.

Unless you are suggesting that those concerned start a campeign to stop WOTC from releasing the book, then sit back and wait.

You will find a lot more support IF you are right.

FD
 


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