Charlaquin
Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
Ok, we’re talking past each other on the Greek thing, and it’s not especially relevant anyway. Forget it.A mythology wherein gods and heroes fight chaotic beings because they have to in order to establish their own power or to protect home and family isn’t necessarily a mythology in which Chaos is a fundamental force of the universe that one might mystically align oneself with. It’s just the cosmic version of establishing cities and fighting bears in order to take their territory and make a farm there. Fantasy works like D&D are doing a fundementally different thing from most real world mythology.
No, it isn’t. Good and Order are not archery and games and war. The Gods of Good are gods whose nature is Good, not gods who govern Good in the way a lot of people imagine Thor to govern storms. Notice how in D&D Bahamuts alignment is Lawful Good, but there is no Domain for either concept. Good and war are in two wholly different categories of ideas.
I said I thought it was a positive that the 5e default lore on Gruumsh and Corellon doesn’t have a clear right or wrong side, as it brought in some welcome nuance. You said that the gods’ morality being ambiguous is a negative in a setting where good and evil are cosmic forces. I said that didn’t bother me because I’m not a big fan of cosmic good and evil. You asked if I understood why that would be undesirable in a setting that did have cosmic good and evil, to which I answered yes, unless in that setting the gods were not necessarily aligned with those cosmic forces. You said that would defeat the point of having cosmic good and evil, which I disagreed with. We’re like 4 layers removed from talking about published D&D cosmology at this point. If you follow the conversation, we’re talking about a purely hypothetical setting, which has cosmic good and evil, but does not have its gods closely aligned with those forces, and whether or not that defeats the point of cosmic good and evil. I still maintain that it doesn’t.Okay? The discussion is about the published D&D cosmology, not either of our homebrews.
But whatever. We’re so far removed from pig-faced orcs at this point, I think we should probably drop it.
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