Brutal Mystic Theurge Combo

[the Jester]

How about a wiz 4/rog 1/ur-priest 2/mystic theurge?

By wiz 4/rog 1/urpr 2/mystic theurge 8 you have 6th level arcane spells and 9th level divine spells!

Five more levels of wizard and you have a 17th level arcane caster/10th level divine caster with 9th level spells!

Whatcha guys think- broken? Or just cool?

 

[megamania]

Can't say I feel it is justified but the DM has final call

 

[megamania]

Have you seen the psionic version? Mage/Psion overlap. If you play Darksun this could mean becoming a Dragon around 18 to 20th level instead of 40th! Oh the humanity!!!!!

 

[Sejs]

Ur-Priest + ANYTHING = broken.

Ur-Priest + Wizard and Mystic Theurge? Broken.

Ur-Priest + Arcane Archer? Broken.

Ur-Priest + Halfling Outrider? Broken.

Ur-Priest + Celery Lord? Broken.

Ur-Priest + Commoner? Broken.

 

[the Jester]

Ur-Priest + ANYTHING = broken.

Why?

Remember, you don't get a lot of spells; your caster level suxxors; and you don't have domains, granted powers or undead turning/rebuking ability.

 

[Eltern]

How about a wiz 4/rog 1/ur-priest 2/mystic theurge?

By wiz 4/rog 1/urpr 2/mystic theurge 8 you have 6th level arcane spells and 9th level divine spells!

Five more levels of wizard and you have a 17th level arcane caster/10th level divine caster with 9th level spells!

Whatcha guys think- broken? Or just cool?

Emmm...how did you get the Fort. requirement for the ur-priest?

 

[Olive]

Mystic Thurge + any PrC that grants 9 spell levels of 10 character levels = broken and not allowed in my game.

I like the MT and I don't mind classes like ur-priest and acolyte of peace, but the MT plus those I'm not down with.

In fact I'd consider making it so the MT on;y advances core class spell casting, not PrC.

 

[Squire James]

It isn't Ur-priest alone... it's the "killer kombo" with Mystic Theurge. Being the meanie that I am, I'd add the special requirement "must worship a god" to the Mystic Theurge class. That swats that gadfly!

 

[Sejs]

Why?

Remember, you don't get a lot of spells; your caster level suxxors; and you don't have domains, granted powers or undead turning/rebuking ability.

To be fair, I really probably should have prefaced that with "this is just how I see it" but... *shrug*

Anyway. You don't get alot of spells, but you get enough spells. Your caster level is le suck, granted, and that can hurt somewhat. Domains, granted powers and undead turning, however, are frosting. The casting of 9th level spells in 10 levels of a class is the cake. The sweet, tasty, cavity inducing cake.

 

[Al]

No, actually caster level is pretty good. Since you get half your other spellcasting levels, added to Ur-Priest, and have 10 'effective' levels of Ur-Priest and 17 of wizard, your caster level is 10 + (17/2) = 18, actually higher than your wizard caster level (not dissimlar to the Magic domain synergy with the Mystic Theurge whereby your caster level for activation items can be higher than your absolute caster level).

Re: the Fort save- I believe that rogue was a typo. Wiz8/ex-Drd*1/UrP1/MsT10 is the preferable combination. Ur-Priest CL 19 (10 + 18/2), wizard CL 18 (8 + 10); and the druid special ability are in any case superior to the clerical ones. You lose Ur-Priest rebuke undead, but 2nd level rebuke undead is hardly going to be missed.