Brutal Throw too strong?

[Ridley's Cohort]

I just built a halforc thrower char with Brutal Throw, racial levels and rage... And I think it's as sick as allowing feats for Dex as additional ranged damage.

And if this wouldn't be bad enough... upgrade Power Throw.

The problem is that the Half-Orc is too powerful a race. +2 Strength is way too good!

 

[Darklone]

Yes brutal throw is a very powerful feat.

But no, your build is not the best example of its use.

Yupp. The problem with a thrower would have been the possibility to get an insane number of attacks with the full TWF feat chain, but this negates the advantage due to Brutal Throw... so yupp, my question has been answered.

Wood Elf Fighter 4/Ranger 2/Barbarian 1 28 point buy
Str 20 (22 with gauntlets), Dex 18, Con 12, Int 6, Wis 8, Cha 8
Feats: 1: Point Blank Shot, Rgr 2: Rapid Shot, Ftr 1: Precise Shot, Lvl 3: EWP: Greatbow, Ftr 2: WF: Greatbow, Lvl 6 Extra Rage, Ftr 4: WS: Greatbow

Dude, if you weren't probably as ugly as me, I'd love to kiss you.

I have no idea how often I'm discussing on this board or others the usefulness of str vs dex for archers and how often I hear that dex is much more important and stronger than strength...

I'm sooo glad to see that others "see the truth" too.

Now... what about if we build a real nice thrower ?

The best (low level though) build that I've seen so far (without relying too much on sneak attack) was a ftr/bbn guy with TWF, ITWF and optional alchemist fire bottles for the secondary attacks... what would be your approach (SRD PC builds only)?

 

[shilsen]

Now... what about if we build a real nice thrower ?

The best (low level though) build that I've seen so far (without relying too much on sneak attack) was a ftr/bbn guy with TWF, ITWF and optional alchemist fire bottles for the secondary attacks... what would be your approach (SRD PC builds only)?

Pity you said only SRD, since I'd have suggested a Talenta Halfling from Eberron with the Boomerang Daze and Boomerang Ricochet feats from Races of Eberron. He can hit an enemy and ricochet the boomerang to hit another enemy within 10 ft, taking a -2 to hit. And on each hit, the enemy has to make a Fort save of DC 10 + damage or be dazed for 1 rd. Ouch!

For a completely core and low lvl build which is really basic, how about a half-orc Ftr2/Bbn1 with maxed Str (20) and Quick Draw, TWF, PB Shot, Rapid Shot, throwing darts with his off-hand and javelins with his primary hand. While raging, he'd be making 3 attacks a round, doing 1d6+8 dmg with 2 javelins and 1d4+4 with a dart, assuming the target(s) are at 30 ft or less. Not too shabby for a 3rd lvl guy.

 

[Darklone]

You mean like the skiprocks in Sword&Fist? That was deadly.

 

[the Jester]

Honestly, I think Brutal Throw is a much-needed bone thrown to throwers... thrown weapons pretty much suck under the core rules.

 

[satori01]

I pretty much housed rule long ago in 3.0 day that you could Power Attack and add STR damage to thrown weapons. If we take questions of form out of the equation, it is obvious that a higher strength person throwing an axe will probably embed the axe deeper than a weaker person.

 

[Squire James]

I pretty much housed rule long ago in 3.0 day that you could Power Attack and add STR damage to thrown weapons. If we take questions of form out of the equation, it is obvious that a higher strength person throwing an axe will probably embed the axe deeper than a weaker person.

You don't need a House Rule. Thrown weapons have STR bonus to damage in the RAW. Brutal Throw allows the STR bonus to apply to attack rolls instead of DEX. I think the feat is powerful, but within the parameters of the current rules. I consider Power Attack with two-handed weapons to be more powerful than this.

 

[Elder-Basilisk]

The most effective thrown weapons character I've seen is actually a halfling master thrower/invisible blade who throws an incredible number of daggers each round. I don't know the exact build, but, without sneak attack, it's comparable to a competent archer at close range without buffs and if you add sneak attack or any static attack/damage boost (bardsong, for instance, or the nobility domain ability), its damage per round skyrockets.

The best (low level though) build that I've seen so far (without relying too much on sneak attack) was a ftr/bbn guy with TWF, ITWF and optional alchemist fire bottles for the secondary attacks... what would be your approach (SRD PC builds only)?

 

[Darklone]

Has someone seen a viable shuriken thrower build? Flame arrow would be nice for that one...

I'd love to see such a build due to style reasons.

 

[Sithobi1]

I've done a sneak-attack based thrower build, but like all sneak attack builds, it has major problems against those who are immune to crits.