C&Ds for Online D&D 5E Character Generators

Ed Friedlander reports that WotC has asked him to remove his D&D character generators. Ed ran the generators at his site, Pathguy.com, including a D&D 5E character generator. His Pathfinder RPG character generator is still running. Thanks to Slayyne for the scoop (who also reports that at least one other site has also closed). [Update: while the actual request has not been shared, others have reported that these are very amicable requests].

You can see his closing note here.

"After almost two decades, Wizards of the Coast has asked me to remove my online character generators. I appreciate the many people who have written and thanked me for my work, and I hope you will continue to enjoy the hobby.

As a physician and gamer, I've supported and defended the hobby, and helped concerned families understand its value.

The "Dungeons and Dragons" phenomenon has encouraged young people to study other cultures. It is a game in which people work together to accomplish a meaningful goal. Characters even define themselves in terms of their good morals and their ethics. On one level, it simulates the spiritual warfare described in the Christian scriptures and in the Arthurian legends on which the game is based. I am proud that I was able to make a contribution.

My generator for Pathfinder will of course remain online. Click here for more information about this role-playing game.

May your dice come up 20s.

Ed Friedlander MD
"

Back in November, the D&D Tools website suffered a similar fate, as have a couple of spellcard websites. While WotC appears to be largely easygoing as far as fan creations are concerned, they do take action when content from their products is copied or distributed.

Ed's character generator created characters by selecting a number of options, and output a character sheet similar to below. I'm not all that familiar with it, so I don't know what text, if any, it may have borrowed from the official rules.

As yet, there's no license (Open Gaming or otherwise) for D&D 5th Edition (although WotC does intend to do so), although a number of publishers have published books anyway using the older Open Gaming License for D&D 3E and 3.5.

What is interesting to hear is that some people who have received such requests describe them as very amicable. Toxic Rat says "Speaking from personal experience, I received a very nice email asking that I take down particular content owned by WotC. No threats, no warnings of legal action, just a request to honor their copyright." That's great to hear.

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So straw men and ad homs are a-ok for you, but not me, eh? Whatever. Enjoy your tinpot kingdom. If I were you, I'd erase this argument, though, because you lost it.

Well, I guess there's no stepping back from a post like that. It's late, I tried. Take a few days off. If you decide to return, please review the rules you agreed to first. If you decide not to, feel free to tell yourself it was because I disagreed with you if it makes it easier - most people do!
 
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Looks like Pathguy's notice was updated. He was forced to pull down the Pathfinder generator as well. (Ignore if it as already mentioned; I was trying to skip over the sidetracks in this thread.)
 

Wow, looks like I missed a lot in this thread of late! Amazing how much shorter they get after a well placed addition to the Ignore list.
 





That is damn interesting, unless he didn't have an ogl with a proper Sec 15, or had remnants of WotC closed content in his pathfinder generator he should have been fine.
 

No doubt. I don't even know how/why they'd be interested or concerned with a PF generator.

All of Pathfinder's core rules derive, ultimately, from the d20 SRD which is copyright Wizards. The OGL allows for software using it, but...

Here's the Software FAQ: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/oglfaq/20040123i
Software FAQ said:
Q: How can the OGL be used with software?

A: Just like with other material, the OGL allows you to use any Open Content, provided you follow the terms of the OGL. Follow the requirements of the License, include the text of the license and the appropriate copyright information, and clearly identify Open Content.

NOTE: The biggest problem we've found with software and the OGL is that programmers aren't paying attention to Section 8 of the OGL. Section 8 states: "If you distribute Open Game Content You must clearly indicate which portions of the work that you are distributing are Open Content." This doesn't mean you can say "all rules in my program are Open", the users need to be able to see all that Open Content. You can do this by putting Open Content in a format that is easy to understand. Popular solutions have been to place everything in text files that the program pulls info from, having everything in a viewable database within the software, using Java script on a webpage (viewing the source of the webpage will display the code and Java script is relatively easy for a user to interpret). The key is that the user has to see everything that is Open Content that the program uses and be able to understand it without too much effort. The whole point of the OGL is that once information is declared Open everyone has free access to it under the OGL. Compiling that information into a program denies the user that access and violates the spirit of the Open Gaming License.

If the character generator violates that, Wizards (as the ultimate source of the material at the heart of Pathfinder) does have the ability to shut it down.

Of course, no idea if this really applies, but I think those would be the basics.

Cheers!
 

Just had a look at the wayback machine cache of the Pathfinder Generator: No sign of the Open Gaming License anywhere.
 

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