C&Ds for Online D&D 5E Character Generators

Ed Friedlander reports that WotC has asked him to remove his D&D character generators. Ed ran the generators at his site, Pathguy.com, including a D&D 5E character generator. His Pathfinder RPG character generator is still running. Thanks to Slayyne for the scoop (who also reports that at least one other site has also closed). [Update: while the actual request has not been shared, others have reported that these are very amicable requests].

You can see his closing note here.

"After almost two decades, Wizards of the Coast has asked me to remove my online character generators. I appreciate the many people who have written and thanked me for my work, and I hope you will continue to enjoy the hobby.

As a physician and gamer, I've supported and defended the hobby, and helped concerned families understand its value.

The "Dungeons and Dragons" phenomenon has encouraged young people to study other cultures. It is a game in which people work together to accomplish a meaningful goal. Characters even define themselves in terms of their good morals and their ethics. On one level, it simulates the spiritual warfare described in the Christian scriptures and in the Arthurian legends on which the game is based. I am proud that I was able to make a contribution.

My generator for Pathfinder will of course remain online. Click here for more information about this role-playing game.

May your dice come up 20s.

Ed Friedlander MD
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Back in November, the D&D Tools website suffered a similar fate, as have a couple of spellcard websites. While WotC appears to be largely easygoing as far as fan creations are concerned, they do take action when content from their products is copied or distributed.

Ed's character generator created characters by selecting a number of options, and output a character sheet similar to below. I'm not all that familiar with it, so I don't know what text, if any, it may have borrowed from the official rules.

As yet, there's no license (Open Gaming or otherwise) for D&D 5th Edition (although WotC does intend to do so), although a number of publishers have published books anyway using the older Open Gaming License for D&D 3E and 3.5.

What is interesting to hear is that some people who have received such requests describe them as very amicable. Toxic Rat says "Speaking from personal experience, I received a very nice email asking that I take down particular content owned by WotC. No threats, no warnings of legal action, just a request to honor their copyright." That's great to hear.

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Looks like Pathguy's notice was updated. He was forced to pull down the Pathfinder generator as well. (Ignore if it as already mentioned; I was trying to skip over the sidetracks in this thread.)

Wow that's unfortunate. Even if he didn't include the proper OGL notice for it, there's really no way for this to end up as anything but a PR nightmare for WotC.

Pathguy has had some really cool fan stuff on his page since 2e (his Planescape stuff especially), and it's really unfortunate to see takedown requests targeting fan created material like his character generators (even if it's legally correct).
 

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Wow that's unfortunate. Even if he didn't include the proper OGL notice for it, there's really no way for this to end up as anything but a PR nightmare for WotC.

Pathguy has had some really cool fan stuff on his page since 2e (his Planescape stuff especially), and it's really unfortunate to see takedown requests targeting fan created material like his character generators (even if it's legally correct).

I really don't get this... if it is legally correct, then it is legal... if it is legal why do people care?
 

I really don't get this... if it is legally correct, then it is legal... if it is legal why do people care?

Not that I am taking sides in this argument, because honestly, I can really see the merit in both sides, but seriously? Is this your argument? "What is legally correct, should be enforced, and when it is enforced, no one should care? Are you sure you want to open this can of worms?

I am really not trying to start a flame war. You have made a lot of valid points in this whole back and forth. I just think you need to really think of the ramifications of this particular argument.
 
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So, wizards took down his pathfinder program too? To be clear, I'm making sure this is WOTC and not Paizo who issued the C&D. I need to make sure I shape my views around the deserving company who did this.
 



I really wonder what issue WotC have with the PF generators?!?

probably "use of WotC Owned Open Content without proper OGL documentation." Which, since the PSRD is largely also the D20 SRD, and the d20 SRD is wizards... he was using their content (indirectly) without attributing them.
 

Losing a tool like this sucks, but it's the nature of the beast with IP law. Not taking action against infringing, if innocuous sites, has the potential to weaken WoTC's case against battles they need to win, like sites copying the book wholesale.

I own several IP's. The nature of the beast is who has the money to defend against a company such as Hasbro.

There are many ways to make money. Actions like this eventually alienates their customer base.

In my experiences when dealing with people about 90% of them are doing nothing wrong. It's the 10% that you have to worry about.

But this is what happens when dealing with a corporate entity. Soulless beasts that is beholden to their stock holders.
 

Oh, for goodness' sake. They're under pressure from retailers and distributors to delay electronic releases. How is this not obvious?

If anyone literally thinks WotC is not selling PDFs because they just don't feel like it right now, then I don't know what to say to them.

This is acutally an interesting point. I've always assumed the bottom line with PDFs was piracy concerns and a desire for a proprietary digital system. I guess the RIAA and MPAA color my opinion of media delivery in general. Coming to mind are Sony's early and inconvenient failed proprietary music system, and the current Utraviolets and Vudus and whatnot that come with Blu-rays that I lack confidence in as a consumer.

Can you give more insight into WotC's likely relationship with its retailers and how that impacts digital? Is it the big box stores? Why aren't Paizo hands similarly tied? I know some of the other commenters have gotten out of hand, but you've genuinely piqued my interest.
 

Looks like Pathguy's notice was updated. He was forced to pull down the Pathfinder generator as well.

Well, there goes the theory that this was because there's an official generator coming.

I wonder how long it will be before they come for ENWorld's Downloads section?
 

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